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speedymarktd6



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FAC shotgun advice
Ive held a shotgun licence for about 8 years with no problems and i have access to over 1000 acres of farm land and woodland that i use now my question is what do i have to do to be able to buy a FAC shotgun how do i aquire the licence as its a bit different to just FAC licence i dont want or need a rifle so im a bit confused
Any info is greatfully received
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I, personally have no idea, but this link might be helpful.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28792 Thumbs Up LANDYWATCH

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You apply for the Section 1 license as if you were applying for a rifle but in the application write FAC shotgun instead, the process is the same. You need to give your reason why you need it over a standard shotgun plus references etc.
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Also speak not email to your assigned firearms rep at the issuing force, they can be a wealth of information Thumbs Up
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If you need any help then get on a forum called pigeon watch, very helpful info on there plus your usual forum trolls Whistle
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smb



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Stupid question, but why do you need a "FAC" category shotgun? You need to come up with some pretty good reasons to have one! You then need to find someone who is willing to sell one to you.

Basically, you have a "Firearms Certificate" for the obvious and a "Shotgun Certificate" also for the obvious. If you want both you can apply for them to be renewed at the same time to help you forgetting one or the other. This is a "Cotorminous Certificate".

However, If you want a shotgun that is designed to be 'rifled' or can hold more cartridges in a 'magazine' then this is out of the scope of a standard shotgun certificate, but does not necessarily fit within that of a "Firearm Certificate". As it is classed as more 'dangerous' than a standard shotgun you have to apply using a Firearms Certificate Form.

We have the Censored from the Hungerford massacre to thank for this... and lately the Censored one in Cumbria.

The Firearms Application form is a lot more onerous and you will have to give permission for checks to be done via your doctor. Also, Landowners permission, different category of witness, etc...

I may not be a 100% accurate as different areas have different views and opinions.

Which are are you in? I would speak to the inspector who granted you your SGC.
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smb wrote:
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However, If you want a shotgun that is designed to be 'rifled' or can hold more cartridges in a 'magazine' then this is out of the scope of a standard shotgun certificate, but does not necessarily fit within that of a "Firearm Certificate". As it is classed as more 'dangerous' than a standard shotgun you have to apply using a Firearms Certificate Form.
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I think that you also need a FAC to use solid (rifled) slugs in a smooth-bore shotgun... though I am not really sure why you'd want to do this in the UK.

The FAC application form is used for various guns which don't readily fit into other categories, for example veterinary dart guns, which are large-bore compressed gas guns firing a projectile which amounts to a syringe, but they fall under the restrictions due to the high muzzle energy. Most of the questions on the form are irrelevant, but the form and process still has to be used.
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smb



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Very true, too Thumbs Up

Unless you really need it, and you will certainly be asked why you do. It's not worth applying as if you get rejected it will be flagged up in the future. Everything you do like this ends up in one big data storage centre in Mid-Wales for future reference......if you know what I mean Whistle !!!
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Its a section 10 that you need to have for a shotgun with a capacity of more than three cartridges. As suggested speak to you local Firearms officer, they will put you straight. (or a rifled barrel with solid slugs, but not sure you'd get that , or have a use for it!)

There are several who have these at my local gun club, I believe that vermin clearance is a valid reason to own one.

One guy at the club has one of those Russion made Saiga multishots that look like an ak47 with a big magazine below - scary looking stuff Shocked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga-12 Not quite sure why anyone would want one of those but each to there own. A nice multishot auto would be ideal.

Good luck with that, shouldn't be a problem as you have the land and most likely justification for ownership.

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ken wrote:
Also speak not email to your assigned firearms rep at the issuing force, they can be a wealth of information Thumbs Up


Very true, although they do vary a bit I found it's always worth spending some time building a good relationship with these guys Thumbs Up Steve.
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Don't let people put you off applying for your needs. Speak to your local Firearms division-they are the ones who know what they are talking about.

If they are anything like the guys at Openshaw-you will be impressed by the way your application is conducted.
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