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MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2448

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Chip tuning

Hi guys:

Has any of you fitted this:

http://www.racechip.de/racechip-chiptuning...972-r.html

Looks like an afordable bit

thanks

M Puma 110" SW

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27th Oct 2009 1:08pm

Grockle

Member Since: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Peak District National Park
Posts: 2266

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Re: Chip tuning

MK wrote:
Hi guys:

Has any of you fitted this:

http://www.racechip.de/racechip-chiptuning...972-r.html

Looks like an afordable bit

thanks

M

Seems very cheap to me,when you compare what BAS ,Twisted etc.,charge 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.

27th Oct 2009 1:27pm

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Rimini Red

Crikey that is cheap.

27th Oct 2009 1:59pm

totoD110

Member Since: 26 Nov 2008
Location: Manila, Philippines
Posts: 86

Im interested on this. anyone using it already?

27th Oct 2009 2:14pm

Mad Cow

Member Since: 27 Oct 2009
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 292

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Zermatt Silver

A word of caution on cheap plug in tuning "chips", although I have never used this type of system, this is what Gary at Alive Tuning (formerly TD5 Alive) says about them:

Quote:
External plug in tuning devices fool the engine management into thinking it's injecting a pre-determined amount of fuel, when really the tuning box is increasing the injector opening time, just to put more fuel in, regardless of what is happening with the rest of the engine.

The most common plug in tuning devices simply plug into your engine's fuel rail pressure sensor, and add a greater resistance to the supply voltage. This fools the ecu into thinking there is low fuel pressure, so the ecu then increases fuel pressure to the rail to compensate.

This overpressurising of the fuel rail will allow more fuel to enter the engine when the injector opens, hence making more power. A crude method of tuning to say the least, but one that is so common!

I have no connection with Alive Tuning but I know of Gary from the Disco Owners Club forum where he always came across as a very straight forward guy and extremely knowledgeable. Those people I know who have gone for his tunes have been very pleased with the results. MAD COW

2007 90 Hard Top - 2009 BMW F800GS - 2002 CCM 604E Dual Sport

Project90

27th Oct 2009 9:51pm

vinsell

Member Since: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Brindisi (Italy)
Posts: 74

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver

Re: Chip tuning

MK wrote:
Hi guys:

Has any of you fitted this:

http://www.racechip.de/racechip-chiptuning...972-r.html

Looks like an afordable bit

thanks

M

I'm using racechip since 3 weeks, and it works very good: more torque and acceleration, too much in 1st and 2d gear, but very funny in 3d, 4th, 5th and 6th gear. But when You drive with throttle at minimum and icrease it just a little bit You smoke. This problem is caused by EGR valve that remains open in this condition.

13th Nov 2009 3:22pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6635

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Those devices do not and cannot work anywhere near as well as a proper remap.

All they do is "fool" the ECU to believing that the engine is running differently to what it's actually doing, and fooling the engine into things the ECU isn't telling it to.

The simplest of these boxes simply increase the fuel rail pressure, so for each injection there is more fuel going in. But the ECU doesn't know that, and doesn't adapt anything else it does.

A proper map, although more expensive, does a heck of a lot more - it changes more than just fuelling pressure - timing and duration can be changed, as well as lots more maps to do with airflow, still respecting in-gear torque limits, etc etc etc.

13th Nov 2009 4:46pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8156

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

it will do the job to some extent but the job can be done better, my money is going to Pete for a full on system rather than a one shot and wonder.... Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

14th Nov 2009 8:03pm

chay

Member Since: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Anglesey
Posts: 44

I tried and drove several varients before I purchased an upgrade and counting and weighing up all the possibilities, there really is only one sensible option for the Puma.

A BAS upgrade. Optionally reversable as many times as you like, tuned for your requirements. It works and is reliable.

Job done.

15th Nov 2009 10:59pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2448

What would happen if the rig fails and you need to call LR assistance? Puma 110" SW

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15th Nov 2009 11:39pm

chay

Member Since: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Anglesey
Posts: 44

I keep the re-tuning box (it's only small) in the pocket behind the seat, and can re-tune/de-tune on the spot. If you read some of the threads on the forum about the BAS tune I think you'll find most of the questions answered.

16th Nov 2009 8:20pm

Mad Cow

Member Since: 27 Oct 2009
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 292

No that wouldn't work......

I haven't got a pocket behind my seat

MAD COW

2007 90 Hard Top - 2009 BMW F800GS - 2002 CCM 604E Dual Sport

Project90

16th Nov 2009 10:00pm

jamesbond007

Member Since: 28 Oct 2009
Location: Central Algarve - Portugal
Posts: 172

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Rimini Red

chay wrote:
I keep the re-tuning box (it's only small) in the pocket behind the seat, and can re-tune/de-tune on the spot.

Same here, well behind the rear seats actually. Boldly going nowhere

Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular.

17th Nov 2009 7:50am

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

Re: Chip tuning

vinsell wrote:
MK wrote:
Hi guys:

Has any of you fitted this:

http://www.racechip.de/racechip-chiptuning...972-r.html

Looks like an afordable bit

thanks

M

I'm using racechip since 3 weeks, and it works very good: more torque and acceleration, too much in 1st and 2d gear, but very funny in 3d, 4th, 5th and 6th gear. But when You drive with throttle at minimum and icrease it just a little bit You smoke. This problem is caused by EGR valve that remains open in this condition.

Ciao Vinicio,

same problem if you REMAP (not add-on) and give more fuel around 1800-2500 rpm....

black smoke (pay attention because this smoke will deposit inside you inlet manifold, I must clean a lot of it)

My solution was: TAKE OFF EGR connector (ok I'm running with MIL lamp on but my engine and are happy now)

Try it and report to me your considerations.

After that I'm waiting Pete (Bell Auto's) REMAP box.......

SO I'll can report the results

Daniele

p.s. we have the same side step....
for me the best but you need to spray it inside the tubes with waxoyl otherwise the rust came on Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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17th Nov 2009 9:13am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2448

I`ve been using the racechip for a couple of days. It certainly gives more power and torque at about the rpm range as std. For a spectator knowing how these rigs are, must be like "what the hell". It is just not normal how fast you can go. Puma 110" SW

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11th Dec 2009 12:21am

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