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Likeomg



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keith wrote:
Hi when i moved house my garage door was 6 foot , my 110 and hanibal roofrack was 7 and a half feet , so i took the lintel out and raised the garage door hole to 8 feet and put on a new roller door. Job done .


the garage isn't his as in his original post, so no modification of the garage...
Post #166641 5th Sep 2012 11:26pm
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Kraut



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Had mine lowered to 195 cm from original 203 cm for the same reason, wanted to be able to find parkingspace in city-areas too. Road performance ist much better than it was with the original springs. The 265 wheels are a bit lower than the originally fitted 235-size

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Post #166657 6th Sep 2012 7:08am
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defender4



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JE Engineering can lower a Defender by about 30mm I believe.
Post #166667 6th Sep 2012 7:55am
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MartinK



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davew wrote:
If you know what the springs you currently have fitted are and are happy they're not sagging, you can calculate the sprung weight for each corner and, from that, establish the actual ride height you will get from the available springs.

Measure the height of the existing spring with the vehicle sat level, if you let me know the details (current height, spring type/markings, desired height) I have a spreadsheet that I use that has most of the common OEM and after market springs in it.

The real problem you normally have is coping with the range of weights that a CSW might be expected to carry, which is why they normally sit a bit high at the back unladen. A shorter spring that lowers the ride height when unladen will have to be stiffer to cope when it's laden without sitting it on the bump stops.


Dave - and this is using Land Rover springs? That would be better for me, as they would look more "original" and less likely for my dealer to bounce any future warranty claim (my Defender's 11 months old).

I have already (mine's a Utility 110) removed the standard (on USW) RKB101111 Purple/Brown 409.96mm, and replaced with CSW "110 7 Seat RKB500300 White/green/green 422.96mm" spring. It suited me better, made the ride less chattery when unladen. MrsK likes the improvement, but a bit more would be great! It would also help the trailer be more level as it tilts upwards towards the rear of the car at the moment (with tow bar on lowest setting).

However I would like a bit more improvement and was thinking of Extreme 4x4 -1" springs and Koni Shocks.

I rarely carry heavy loads (that's what the Trailer is for)...maybe 300kg max in the back. The Trailer would have a max nose weight of say 70kg.

Does your spreaddy allow a calculation which will tell me which springs would give a slightly softer ride and -1" from the RKB500300 springs????

Thanks! Thumbs Up Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #166674 6th Sep 2012 9:55am
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davew



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The two springs you've tried are pretty similar apart from free length. The Green-White-White should sit slightly higher (around 10mm) than the Brown-Purple but as they are both triple rated progressive springs how much weight is on them will make a big difference to their height, particularly because the longer spring will stay in the softer area for longer. My spreadsheet currently uses averaging to deal with progressive springs which is not always ideal as progressive springs don't normally work in a linear fashion.

Without knowing the compressed length of the current springs it's a bit of a shot in the dark but on mine with it's normal weight your springs would give a compressed height of around 360mm. At the same weight an NRC6904 would give a compressed length of 335mm (a 1 inch drop) or if you want to go really low and soft NRC6388 would give 310mm compressed - a 2 inch drop.

NRC6389 would give a smaller drop than NRC6904 standing around 11mm taller so around 1/2 inch drop from where you are now.

If you really like a soft ride and have the shocks to cope with it then OME 2752 would also be an option. It would sit around the same height as the NRC6904 but is a MUCH softer spring.

As before, all these figures are based on fitting the springs to my vehicle which runs at around 352Kg sprung weight on the rear corners. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
Post #166697 6th Sep 2012 1:18pm
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T1G UP



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i like the sound of the OME spring. But i think i'd uprate the ARB to an X eng unlockable one to keep it tidy in the bendys
Post #166707 6th Sep 2012 1:58pm
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MartinK



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Wow, thanks DaveW Thumbs Up Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #166715 6th Sep 2012 2:40pm
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Michaels Defender



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I lowered my 110, 25mm front and 38mm rear, I would say it corner better now, but the 25mm/38mm drop does not seem much, but it certainly feels a lot lower JE Zulu 110 now sold
Carpathian 110 also sold
Defender 110 camper now in build
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BigRuss



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Well it looks like I came to the right place with this question Thumbs Up

That's all for your replys, I have tomorrow off so will be following up the leads you all have given me.

Thanks all once again. Russell
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Post #166777 6th Sep 2012 6:06pm
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markb110



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Russ

I have just measured the springs i mentioned on my last thread

The are not handed and are both 410mm in length. Again i cannot confirm the free length of the Puma 110 spring so cannot compare it for you. I am guessing that unless someone here can confirm then the best thing to do is jack the body up until there is no weight left on the spring. Do this on the drivers side as this will be the taller spring.

They were lower than the TD5 110 rears that i replaced them with at the time prior to going for a 2 inch lift.

If they are any good to you let me know and you can have them, please note that i will be away on my jolly days from Sat for a week. Just pm me if you need my number.

Cheers

Mark
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This is ours on it's John Eales kit. Handles well!


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Post #166804 6th Sep 2012 8:19pm
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BigRuss



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markb110 wrote:
Russ

I have just measured the springs i mentioned on my last thread

The are not handed and are both 410mm in length. Again i cannot confirm the free length of the Puma 110 spring so cannot compare it for you. I am guessing that unless someone here can confirm then the best thing to do is jack the body up until there is no weight left on the spring. Do this on the drivers side as this will be the taller spring.

They were lower than the TD5 110 rears that i replaced them with at the time prior to going for a 2 inch lift.

If they are any good to you let me know and you can have them, please note that i will be away on my jolly days from Sat for a week. Just pm me if you need my number.

Cheers

Mark


Cheers mark Russell
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BigRuss



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Well I have good news!

I have managed to modify the garage door slightly and I (the wife) can drive the defender in and out without any additional weight or the door being manipulated Whistle and I've still got the original springs on Mr. Green

But once again thank you all for you help and advice Thumbs Up Russell
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Post #167214 9th Sep 2012 8:34pm
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