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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581  
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Just as an afterthought there should be a spacer inbetween the sensor and bellhousing. You can get a noisy signal if it is too close to the reluctor tangs on the flywheel. I suspect being an earlier vehicle that there was not one on it. Thete is a TSB or SSM on this.
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28th Aug 2012 2:01pm |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448 
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no there wasn't a spacer on it. Or an O-ring for that matter!
I will go and see what the part number is Dave |
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28th Aug 2012 2:09pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Back in the office now - Looks like the part number is NSJ000010 - £6.05 + VAT.
You'll have to improvise with the O-ring. |
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28th Aug 2012 3:35pm |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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I have been down to the local "specialist", at least he thinks he is. I mentioned td5 and it took 10 minutes for him to work out that I was talking about Land Rover not Volkswagen!!
Anyway, he can plug the thing in for 55quid but I am not convinced that they will be able to interpret whatever fault codes transpire. Anyway, I went down to the Land Rover dealers and they have offered to plug it in for a bit less than that. I think if nothing else they are curious as to what the problem is. Unfortunately I can't find anyone with a Td5, all the sensible people have stayed with Tdi! I have checked the air gap and there s a couple of mm between the end of the CPS and the outside of the flywheel. I have no idea what the gap is supposed to be. There was a second hand one on ebay which I have bought as it is cheap enough. Just means that it will take a few days to get here. I still need to find out how well, or otherwise, the EU3 engine should run with the old NSB ECU Dave |
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28th Aug 2012 4:05pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Typical!
Well see what you get from the dealer who will be using Testbook. In the meantime I will ask around and find out if the two are compatible. |
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28th Aug 2012 4:11pm |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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Thanks for that.
The only problem I have is getting the bloody thing there. It won't get on a trailer under it's own steam. With regards to the ECU I don't know either if it's even worth going to the effort of bringing the Land Rover down to the dealers if their equipment won't communicate with it as the old ECU and new engine are trying, but failing, to talk to each other. Dave |
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28th Aug 2012 4:16pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Don't worry, Dave. The Td5 only communication to another ECU tends to be the alarm/immobiliser where fitted. Testbook won't have any issues at all communicating with the Td5 engine ECU. If they are anything like Taunton LR, they'll be more than happy to go back to the good old days of the simple Td5 and Testbook T4...
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28th Aug 2012 4:19pm |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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I managed to source some good second hand parts today,
I tried the replacement CPS and this made no difference. I also picked up an ECU and tried it with this, unfortunately it wouldn't run with this at all! Anyway, patience is running thin as I have other things that I should be doing. It runs after a fashion now but it is VERY rough, and after a couple of minutes thinks better of running and stalls. I am beginning to think that this may well be purely down to the wrong type of ECU. Would anyone know if running the later engine with the green injectors, with an old "MSB" type type ECU would give this type of running? Has anyone experience of this? Dave |
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29th Aug 2012 9:05pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Sorry Dave - Been too busy today to make the call.
The new ECU won't start the car as it probably needs coding up with the security relearn on T4 first. |
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29th Aug 2012 9:39pm |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 
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Dave,
You will have a reply to your email in a few minutes... As a short test, an MSB ECU even with the wrong injector codes will run an EU3 spec engine. It won't be 100% but shouldn't cause what you are seeing... especially not the stalling issue. Do you know any history of the engine? I'm wondering if it has sat around for a while. Although is says it in the email as well, have you checked the oil level? Is it increasing? The faults you are seeing can be caused by a set of duff injector seals, a blocked fuel feed (there is a small gauze type filter behind the fuel regulator) or worse case a duff injector... to name a few. If needed I can send you down an ECU to try, pre programmed with your injector codes and with a pair alarm ECU - so all just plug and play. Also - what flywheel did you use? - the one that came with the new engine, or your original one? Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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30th Aug 2012 6:31am |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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Hi,
Thanks for the email. Only just realised that you had posted on here. Apparently the engine may well have sat around for a while. I think it was owned by one of the guys that worked at the company and was going to be used by him until they were forced to send it to replace the duff one that was in the vehicle originally. The engine came without the alternator, powersteering pump but had the manifolds etc. However I had to change the exhaust manifold as one of the studs had broken on the EGR pipework. I haven't noticed the oil level increasing although it hasn't run for that long so I doubt I would be able to tell. I'm not sure if I mentioned, but the engine has a 10p number although it has the later head on it with the green injectors. I have checked the fuel supply and seems fine, I have taken the supply pipe off and checked that and have also taken the return off and seems to be coming out nicely of the fuel return. I've popped off the fuel regulator and checked the gauze filter which is as clean as a whistle. There wasn't a flywheel with the engine, so I used the one off the "old" engine. Interesting that you mention this, would it make a difference? As per my reply to you, if you can sort an ECU for me and send it, that would be fantastic. |
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30th Aug 2012 10:11pm |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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Forgot to clarify,
the flywheel is the dual mass type. I'm assuming that this is from the Disco rather than the defender Dave |
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30th Aug 2012 10:18pm |
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| Steve B Member Since: 22 May 2009 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 587 
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Hello,
Might be worth removing the camcover, just turn it over by hand to check all is ok. My thoughts are that as you mentioned it had sat around for a while it may have been outside and water has go down one of the ports and caused a sticky valve? Steve  |
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31st Aug 2012 6:36am |
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| v8bobber Member Since: 26 Aug 2012 Location: pembrokeshire Posts: 448
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Thanks for all the help so far.
Ian (Porny) has really pulled out all the stops for me and sent me a coded ECU - I can't thank him enough. Unfortunately it is now apparent that this is not the problem. I have turned the engine over with the cam cover off and all seems to be in order. I even went to the extent of pulling each of the plugs off each of the injectors and then trying to run the engine. Didn't really make much difference! HOWEVER, I think that I may have found the problem. When reading the workshop manual I read to following; "CAUTION - PRE EU3 AND EU3 PISTONS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE DUE TO THE EU3 PISTON COMBUSTION BOWL BEING OFFSET" My engine is a hybrid with a 10p bottom end but an EU3 cylinder head. Does this mean that the two won't work together?!!! Dave |
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