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BigWheels

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How can I lower 1st gear in high box on a Puma?

When going on a LR Experience treck, one of the LR guys said that one of the reasons TDCis have anti-stall fuel jetting is because 1st gear is higher than on TD5s (& TDis?).

This might explain why some farmers prefer pre TDCi model. They can't stay in high box 1st gear while following flocks & herds down a lane.

What can be done to help actually or simulate a lower 1st gear in high box, (without going into lower box, clutch slipping/s & snatching) on a TDCi? Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender

20th Aug 2012 7:39pm

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20th Aug 2012 7:49pm

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Must have been smoking dope

. 1st gear on a Puma is lower than on a Td5.

Guess this was the LR Experience guy who said something like that?

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20th Aug 2012 7:50pm

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The first gear in my Puma tdci is lower than in the tdi. One of the complaints about the td5 when it came out was that first gear was relatively high and some people were inclined to stall it. The Puma tdci was fitted with a lower first gear to get around this and it is suited to taking off with a trailer with no bother at all.There was a thread on this site sometime ago about people avoiding first gear in the Puma and taking off in second.Try first gear low in the Puma, it is an experiece! I don't think the anti stall was fitted to compensate for the Puma tdci first gear. Some of the techno inclined blokes will come on to give you the full briefing on that. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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20th Aug 2012 8:00pm

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Re: How can I lower 1st gear in high box on a Puma?

BigWheels wrote:
When going on a LR Experience treck, one of the LR guys said that one of the reasons TDCis have anti-stall fuel jetting is because 1st gear is higher than on TD5s (& TDis?).

This might explain why some farmers prefer pre TDCi model. They can't stay in high box 1st gear while following flocks & herds down a lane.

What can be done to help actually or simulate a lower 1st gear in high box, (without going into lower box, clutch slipping/s & snatching) on a TDCi?

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20th Aug 2012 9:16pm

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Im led to believe the idle jack (anti stall) was fitted because low first is so low that it can be dangerous on decents, this is because without it the wheels dont rotate quickly enough to stop the car sliding. Personally I like the fact the car becomes almost unstoppable in low first DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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20th Aug 2012 9:18pm

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20th Aug 2012 9:22pm

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Re: How can I lower 1st gear in high box on a Puma?

BigWheels wrote:
When going on a LR Experience treck, one of the LR guys said that one of the reasons TDCis have anti-stall fuel jetting is because 1st gear is higher than on TD5s (& TDis?).

This might explain why some farmers prefer pre TDCi model. They can't stay in high box 1st gear while following flocks & herds down a lane.

What can be done to help actually or simulate a lower 1st gear in high box, (without going into lower box, clutch slipping/s & snatching) on a TDCi?

not sure on ratios of the 6 speed but a tdci has a higher ratio TB. 1st gear is to low IMO. with some larger tyres on it would be better and i use the 2nd gear no throttle take off alot more now on the flat or down hill.

20th Aug 2012 9:46pm

blackwolf

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LR90XS2011 wrote:
Im led to believe the idle jack (anti stall) was fitted because low first is so low that it can be dangerous on decents, this is because without it the wheels dont rotate quickly enough to stop the car sliding. Personally I like the fact the car becomes almost unstoppable in low first

Idle jack and anti-stall are completely different functions for completely different purposes. Your description of the idle jack is correct, but that isn't anti-stall.

You could lower a Puma's ratios by fitting a Td5 transfer gear set, but overall it would be way too low and probably dangerous on steep descents with poor adhesion.

20th Aug 2012 10:51pm

fixit

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There is a lot to be said for driving downhill when its slippery as the wheels won't slide as easy then

I have only driven a puma defender a couple of times but it is lower geared than a tdi IMO

And most of the farmers i know who have them use second to pull off unless towing

Don't know about following sheep though

may be they are lame

24th Aug 2012 6:35pm

fixit

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ericvv wrote:
Must have been smoking dope . 1st gear on a Puma is lower than on a Td5.

Guess this was the LR Experience guy who said something like that?

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24th Aug 2012 6:54pm

jst

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does a higher gearing not give a lower speed?

1st gear in a puma is 33% slower than corresponding 1st gear on R380/LT77.
6th is 22% higher.

if the end result is you want to go slower in a TDCI then fit a 1.4 or 1.6 Tbox or 4.11 diffs. Cheers

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25th Aug 2012 8:06pm

jst

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i also think you are getting anti stall and idle jack mixed up.

idle jack comes in when you are in 1st low range to raise the revs to 1100rpm for the reasons as above wrt to descents and not having too much engine breaking.

anti stall works in all the gears. its more beneficial and noticeable in the lower numbered gears. Cheers

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25th Aug 2012 8:08pm

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