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fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626 |
Sonic, Thinking of putting some 285 MT / BFG on mine, have you had any issues with this tyre on the standard
rims ? Before you all tell me i no you should not put this size tyre on 7j rims Thanks in advance KARL NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY |
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11th Aug 2009 2:52pm |
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NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972 |
They were both on idle in low first using TC and anti-stall. I was there with them I tried the same in my 90 truck cab, so lighter with shorter wheelbase (no TC) on 235s and could only do it with a moderate amount of approach speed. I know TC makes a huge difference ,but I also know that the right tyre makes a massive difference too, from experience with Defenders, Discoveries and assorted non LR stuff over the years. That said, too wide can be a problem if not used appropriately, as witnessed when I've waltzed up stuff using 235 TRs where the Simex brigade on lift kits have been floundering and failing the climb...... 54 Freelander modded for mud 2008 D3 SE 2010 90 XS SW 1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner 2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone 2006 D3 SE - gone 2004 Freelander Sport - gay 1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits |
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11th Aug 2009 9:16pm |
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alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513 |
Surely it depends what you're doing. The old series motors with their narrow tyres can trounce a wider-shoe'd 4x4 in mud just by cutting through.
I guess that for general LR use (much on road) a 235 is a good all-rounder. Personally I'd like to extend to 265 AT for a bit more footprint but I confess I don't know under what circumstances I'd benefit from the extra width (grass, snow?). I was reading a 4x4 magazine article (available at the bottom of the page on http://www.kumhotyre.com/news/news080602.html) and the Kumho's did pretty well and joint first with the BFGs. They were all using 235. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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11th Aug 2009 9:47pm |
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RED-DOT Member Since: 29 Jun 2009 Location: stirling Posts: 2363 |
The experts know 235's are all you need and any wider is for show and offer no real advantage. My mate is a gamekeeper and his TD5 DCPU on 235's go places the big tyres would spin rather than dig in. 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
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11th Aug 2009 11:28pm |
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Sonic3d Member Since: 28 Jan 2008 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 1505 |
Im off to Morocco to see new years eve in and have bought a set of 285 BFG AT`s for the journey down there and to have a bigger foot print in the sand to allow me to go places a 235 wide would dig in and get stuck Send the so called EXPERTS to come and join us
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12th Aug 2009 8:04am |
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Sonic3d Member Since: 28 Jan 2008 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 1505 |
Hi Karl I`ve had no problems with the 285`s on the boosts , they will rub the radius arms unless you adjust the stops or fit some spacers. Below is a pic of my old 90 with 285`s on it Click image to enlarge |
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12th Aug 2009 8:12am |
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fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626 |
Cheers Sonic,
Thanks for the photo, Yep i was going to put some spacers on. And i agree with the bigger foot print cheers bud. NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY |
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12th Aug 2009 8:31am |
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RED-DOT Member Since: 29 Jun 2009 Location: stirling Posts: 2363 |
I think that picture proves my point.. all show and no go. It looks like a spacehopper on each corner? 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
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12th Aug 2009 9:26am |
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alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513 |
Time out guys. Each to their own. Clearly tyre size does have an impact otherwise all challenge eventers would run on 235s. Given that the reason we drop our tyre pressures in sand, snow and bog is to increase the footprint in contact with the ground, a wider tyre must make a difference. That doesn't mean it is better in all circumstances, though, and it's possible that the LRE instructors are gauging the 235 to be the better tyre in most situations encountered in the UK. We can have the same debate about tyre tread patterns - AT vs MT etc. Again, it depends on what you're doing. As for show, it's a personal thing and plenty of folks like the look of wider, more aggressive tyres. Lord knows I've added a snorkel and steering guard to mine and it'll only see greenlanes and the occasional deep puddle. Quite fancy some wider ATs as well One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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12th Aug 2009 10:37am |
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Sonic3d Member Since: 28 Jan 2008 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 1505 |
What ever |
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12th Aug 2009 11:01am |
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rick Member Since: 07 Mar 2008 Location: Perth Posts: 133 |
I like your honesty alantd. I think there's got be room for aesthetics, especially if the modification has a neutral (at worst) impact on performance (ie the 265/75 option). If the 235/85s didn't look like they belong on an ice cream van I might not be as curious about the wider options. But I'd still like to think that a wider MT would not only look better, but might also add some stability and a larger footprint in sandy conditions - that would be enough to justify the expense (for me).
Cheers, Rick. 1998 RR HSE 2007 RRS TDV6 2008 Defender 110 2015 Discovery Sport |
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12th Aug 2009 11:45am |
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roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039 |
At the same tyre pressure all tyres have the same footprint. So a wider tyre will have a shorter footprint. A wider tyre has anly advantages in sand at speed. When you go slow the extra width works against you.
But then a MT is not a sand tyre. There are other design that work better in sand. I have some 235 BFG MT on my camel disco I did about 40000 M with them and still have enough thread to go under my 90 for a while as an off-road tyre. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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12th Aug 2009 11:55am |
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Sonic3d Member Since: 28 Jan 2008 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 1505 |
This is why we go for wider tyres
Me and Alex E last year in Tunisia rescuing Discocuzzy AND Tfc &feature=related |
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12th Aug 2009 11:57am |
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Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015 |
Woah I see this thread has exploded whilst I have been away!!
I have fitted 285s to mine puerly through experience as I know they will out-preform a 235 any day in any condition as I drive in them all frequently. The reason why LR go for 235s is a combination of figures- if they fit 285 muds as standard they will have to start investing in more soundproofing, wider rims and will have to bring down the mpg figure which will all adversly affect sales. As mentioned before on the outing we did down Sailbury plain it was proven in so many ways that the 285s were the daddy (even compared to the 265s). I was going up slopes/ through ditches my Discovery on 265s would have started to slip a little but other than on extreme cross-axle the TC didn't kick in. Glyn |
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12th Aug 2009 12:30pm |
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