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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731   
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Got my reply from LR Germany
They claim the MY11 gearbox (MT82) is made by Getrag in Germany (Köln) and that the transfer box is made in England (but couldn't be more specific). Quite a surprise, considering the rumours 
Thought some of you might like to know  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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19th Mar 2012 4:36pm |
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| Jonno Member Since: 06 Mar 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 234  
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Good work finding that out ! The Chinese manufacture must be reserved for the m82 in the mustang . The boxes can't be that bad generally as quite a few on here seem to have done big mileages.
Makes me wonder if its just the tolerances on the spines that can be out, a little bit of lash will quickly develop into something much worse. I seem to also remember reading about some crazy expensive lube for the output shaft, some kind of grease based stuff, i wonder if they all get the splines properly coated at assembly. Best not to worry and just drive and enjoy the thing! Jonno |
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19th Mar 2012 6:42pm |
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| Jonno Member Since: 06 Mar 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 234
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one of the forum members had their gearbox pack in. this caused a debate about the quality of the ford -getrag box. There are rumours the same box used on the mustang is Chinese built. however it now seems to also be built in Germany and the UK, so safe to assume ours are European built. |
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19th Mar 2012 6:53pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Jonno said it. Ford were daft enough to put Chinese-made MT82 gearboxes into new Mustangs. After several near-death experiences (synchros failing in heavy traffic on highways, gear levers popping out when turning etc.) Mustang owners in the US took out a class action against Ford and the NHTSA started an investigation (now dropped). Needless to say, making (allegedly) sub-standard boxes in China and putting them in expensive US sports cars might not have been the brightest move... Actually it isn't just paranoia. "Pals" on a Mustang forum in the US dismantled several knackered boxes - it wasn't pretty (failed parts made from stamped metal rather than cast etc.) At least ours seem to be assembled in Deutschland Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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19th Mar 2012 7:05pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645  
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mine was replaced at 29,900km/2years. talk about sh*t quality...  --
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19th Mar 2012 8:15pm |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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Poor products can be made anywhere including here. The fact that it's chinese is largely irrelevant.
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19th Mar 2012 10:22pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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... and yet I'd still rather mine was made in Germany
Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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19th Mar 2012 10:42pm |
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| gtveloce65 Member Since: 10 Nov 2008 Location: West Sussex Posts: 107 
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On my third - and that isn't great. One every 11,000 miles at the mo, so nearly time for another one
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20th Mar 2012 5:52pm |
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| caribcat Member Since: 11 Jun 2009 Location: Anglesey Posts: 97 
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Two boxes at the same time on similar aged pumas in my company. I'm ready for a class action if you are...
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20th Mar 2012 5:53pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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Would be good to clarify who is talking about gearboxes and who is referring to transfer boxes. A new thread may be useful with the question to see how much of this is an issue!
Here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic12073.html |
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20th Mar 2012 6:23pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Excellent idea, although I hope not to contribute for a while longer (mine is sick but not dead...yet)
Might also be nice to compare with the number of forum members with gear/transferboxes that are okay. If the MT82 is assembled in Köln and the LT230 in the UK, I would like to believe that failures are due to components or design and not incompetent employees Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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20th Mar 2012 7:32pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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It doesn't matter where they are put together - We all know what goes on on the Defender production line, and that's a UK outfit.
Knowing modern automotive manufacture, it will be a cheaply made part which has made an accountant happy but left an engineer pulling his/her hair out. It is a shame though, that JLR didn't stick with ZF in place of this gearbox, which I expect Ford couldn't wait to offload. |
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20th Mar 2012 11:14pm |
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| cradgebank Member Since: 30 Dec 2008 Location: Nottingham Posts: 308  
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Wasn't aware ZF have ever made manual gear boxes for LR ?. Richard Either a 90, 110 or 130. Discovery 5 |
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20th Mar 2012 11:50pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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The Discovery 3 had a six speed manual box from ZF and they are pretty strong.
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20th Mar 2012 11:54pm |
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