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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12   
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Oh Lord !!! This all sound very familiar. We have a 90 xs county and got it from the dealer in exeter back in may, its a may 09 reg. Only problem was a rough start a few months back where I turned it off and it restarted fine. It has subsequently been perfect rushing up and down portuguese mountains etc etc. On the run back to Roscoff the EMS light came on (first time ever) on the autoroute. We pulled over and phoned the dealer, they said no problem, which there was not (no limp mode) and carried on home. A few days later the EMS light was no longer there on start (on with ignition) so trip to dealers cancelled as fault had gone. However after picking up the vehicle from in laws after parking for 2 days engine sounded like a bag of spanners but only after a couple of minutes after running at idle. No EMS light. Switched off, started problem gone, 300 metres down road same problem, limp mode, no ems light.
Next day started fine, no spanners in bag sounds, but going back down M4 ems light came on again. No other symptoms. Switched on and off millions of times but ems light does not go out. Dealers at Exeter do not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about being able to sort this "never heard of this one before, Guv". Airbus driver here but WTF is going on? Any ideas? Please!! |
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7th Dec 2011 4:43pm |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
You need to get the EMS DTC's read, as there is a fault logged. The MIL will go out after three ignition cycles as long as the dtc passes the self test. The fact that the light stays on all the time now indicates to me that the fault is re occurring as it keeps failing the self test cycle. The EMS will record all tested DTC's and store them until they are cleared with a diagnostic tool.
My advice if it is still in warranty is get it into dealers and let them find and fix the problem. An explanation of fault codes: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5443.html |
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7th Dec 2011 10:02pm |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Thanks for that!! I'll get it to my local dealer as Exeter seem useless. I'll keep you posted as to what they say.........
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8th Dec 2011 7:10am |
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| amadeus Member Since: 27 Nov 2011 Location: mk Posts: 7 
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Update on our isues......recovery truck turned up ...and you can guess what happens... it starts.....had tried starting it approx 4 times thinking it would reset itself , which it did, it just waited until the recovery truck arrived.....now dropped of at Landrover specalist (with Specific Landrover diagnostics) to day .....so will communicate the upshot once known.....
Thank you for all your responses so far...... |
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8th Dec 2011 8:01am |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Update: Explained problem to my local dealer and he at once agreed to book vehicle in at 1400hrs today. On way poor old "percival" went into limp mode in horrendous weather.........not at all nice. Arrived slightly late, servicing team immediately swung into action. Upshot was that there is a service instruction out that has a proceedure on a silicone issue in the insulation within the ECU!!!!! 2 hours later problem solved and I drove home with a smile on my face.......I just hope it lasts, but so far so good.
This site is a godsend and thanks for the advice. 2 points come to mind: 1. My warrenty runs out in june next year and I was advised by the service supervisor to extend it, I will. 2. If you have a problem with the EMS just call LR assist........limp mode is just to stressful if it kicks in in the weather we had today............ |
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8th Dec 2011 4:57pm |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Well, just done 220 miles on a round trip, on 198 miles MIL illuminated in cruise 2000 rpm. Not happy as I have to drive to France on Sunday.........................What now........
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9th Dec 2011 9:12pm |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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landrover assist came and vehicle was sent back to dealers. same fault codes as before. EGR valve replaced and problem has gone!!! Hopefully that now is the problem solved.........
lorryman thank you so much for your help....will now go and get a scanguage so will be able to monitor situation. |
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15th Dec 2011 5:44am |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Well, update!! The car has been in and out of stratstone Newport 4 times now. They have done a reload of the software on the last visit. My wife has just told me that "Percival" has broken down. Again. Problem seems to be the same as before. OK for a hundred yards or so then rough running, limp mode, sounds like a bag of spanners. She tells me that she noticed a lot of grey/white exaust as well. land Rover assist have taken the car away. Again. This is a real pain, and I have to say LR customer care is not covering themselves in glory. One might have hoped that SOMEONE in Land Rover might be able to fix this car!!!
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28th Feb 2012 7:36am |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Well if anyone else has this sort of problem please get in touch. The guys at Stratstone Newport now seem to think the engine is overfuelling itself causing the bag of spanners sound limp mode and the white/grey exaust smoke.
They are going to fit a new valve in the fueling system/pump. Not entirely sure what that is as am still out in africa! Lets hope this fixes the issue once and for all. Lorryman I will be buying a scanguage II when I return....just won't tell the Mrs!  |
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1st Mar 2012 8:06am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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Not good reading but thanks for the updates, hope it is sorted
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1st Mar 2012 9:22am |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Anthony, pm replied too.
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1st Mar 2012 8:26pm |
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| SilverFox Member Since: 07 Dec 2011 Location: Crickhowell Posts: 12
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Thanks a million Brian!!
I have copy/pasted your entire PM to Jane who is going to forward to Stratstone Newport for their info. Hopefully she will get it of asap for their action! I am back in Blighty monday and I will let you know how they fared!! Cheers Mate Anthony |
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2nd Mar 2012 11:46am |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568 
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Lorryman I have had my EGR deactivated for @12k/km, I reactivated for service and it worked as normal. I also use a little of the good oil 2SO.
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3rd Mar 2012 12:06am |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
Bet you noticed the difference with the tune off and the EGR working again Keeping that valve closed really does make a big difference to keeping the inlet side cleaner.
I recently checked the MAP for contamination as well as the inlet manifold and was pleased at what I didn't find
 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge That is 20,000 miles of use
Brian. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  |
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3rd Mar 2012 11:00am |
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