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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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Afraid you would be an outlaw if you would do that in a TD4 2.2, or a 2.4 for that matter You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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15th Feb 2012 9:31pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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shame because I have a middle seat for sale
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15th Feb 2012 10:31pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935  
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How about a forward facing rear seat to fit behind the 2nd row of seats - either original or Exmoor.
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15th Feb 2012 10:37pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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How much ?? the dog is getting  off when Mrs no worries is out as well she has to sit on the cup hoders with a pillow not ideal, or she jumps on the Mrs lap then i cant see the mirrors. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.
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15th Feb 2012 10:45pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012 
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Just wondering if it is illegal in his country  |
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16th Feb 2012 2:26am |
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| Knot Yet Member Since: 01 Mar 2010 Location: West Sussex Posts: 197 
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Zag - We were told it was from Landrover and also negates insurance if fitted but I'm sure someone here will have the definitive answer
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16th Feb 2012 6:31am |
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| chiefstoker Member Since: 11 Oct 2010 Location: Weston-super-Mud Posts: 897 
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Really? didnt know that, i could carry 6 passengers + me legally in my 90 if i wanted, be no room for anything else mind  unless i hitched up the trailer 
Presumably then it has something to do with lap belts and 3 point harnessing on newer vehicles? 2005 TD5 90 Hard Top Beer 'n Sex 'n Chips 'n Gravy |
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16th Feb 2012 6:57am |
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| Knot Yet Member Since: 01 Mar 2010 Location: West Sussex Posts: 197
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Chief - yes my understanding is no problem if the vehicle came with the capacity but due to legislation changes inward facing seats and middle seats cannot be supplied as standard on newer vehicles.
I think inward facing can be retro fitted legally but you need insurance agreement and middle seats can't be and don't get insurance agreement but I'm only speaking as a lay person and not by any means an expert Defender 110 Puma Utility XS |
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16th Feb 2012 7:05am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17336 
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I would have thought that the problem concerned Type Approval. If type approval was gained without the seats fitted, then they probably cannot be fitted.
You might be able to fit a centre front seat and then get SVA on it as a modification though, but I am not sure what you'd do for the seatbelt (lap belts alone are no longer sufficient). Restraint is probably the reason that the option has been deleted (plus the fact that there isn't room for anything for anything larger than a midget). I think that side facing seats have now been precluded under amendments to the Construction & Use Regulations so are a definitie no-no. Again the reason is that it is almost impossible to restrain a passenger in a side-facing seat adequately. |
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16th Feb 2012 11:40am |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195
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Great for the woof though
If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.
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16th Feb 2012 8:07pm |
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| CRJ Member Since: 12 Mar 2011 Location: Sealand - Denmark Posts: 253  
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I have fitted a centre seat in my 130 - along with the 3 point seatbelt http://www.johncraddock-trim.co.uk/index.p...p;Itemid=3
It works well - but only for children. It is not quite legal - but no one around these parts would lift an eyebrow! Regards CRJ 88 Ser. 3 1980 -sold Puma 130 - 08- sold 90 200tdi 1991 - sold 88 Ser. 3 1977 200 TDI 110 CC 2003 |
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3rd Mar 2012 7:25am |
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| TopQ1967 Member Since: 14 Feb 2012 Location: Veghel Posts: 236  
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Hi CRJ
Exmoor centre seat just came in. The 3-point harness without instructions how to fit it in combination with the centre seat (only generic fitting instructions) however Do you please have some pictures how it it was installed on your verhicle? Regards, Q. |
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14th May 2012 1:47pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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If you hava a Puma 2.4 or 2.2 as I think to read from your first post, note that retrofitting a center seat will be fully illegal, not only in Holland, but Europe wide. Same time, as of 2007 the reason why LR went away from inward facing rear seats was that they were also outlawed by EU. So the bad news is that retrofitting either a front middle seat or any inward facing seats to a 2007 onward Defender can neither be legalized, nor will be accepted by any insurance company. Doing so, they would break the law themselves. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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14th May 2012 4:23pm |
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| TopQ1967 Member Since: 14 Feb 2012 Location: Veghel Posts: 236
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O.K. Eric
Concerns noted
But if I want to install a front seat for whatever reason, where can I find a installation manual for the seat belt? Pictures of an installed belt will do as well. Cheers Q. |
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14th May 2012 9:36pm |
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