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JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
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They'll be the ones that move to India or Ceylon and look for PGTips in the shops

26th Jan 2012 10:43am

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Baltic Blue

JWL wrote:
They'll be the ones that move to India or Ceylon and look for PGTips in the shops

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

26th Jan 2012 11:42am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

BigMike wrote:
22900013A wrote:
No matter how good they make it, a vehicle made in India and sold in the UK/Europe simply will never have the kudos of a European manufactured car, people will still perceive it as low quality.

As time goes on I feel myself drifting further and further away from Landrover as a company.

I don't agree. This is just xenophobia. Brands like Kitchenaid, Kenwood, many high end watch brands are made not in the country of origin but in china, korea, taiwan etc.They retain the brand image with no trouble at all. This is just a bunch of jingoistic, luddite whingers and is laughable when you see some of the panel gaps and problems with defenders made in the UK. I'm betting that the QC employed by Tata will be far, far superior to the tea drinking lazy sods who throw the panels on here. Some people just refuse to move foward. Don't like the DC100, don't like a move to India etc. The only thing which would seem to satisy some people is a vehicle made in the garden of england by Joanna Lumley and her family handed over by the bloody Queen. Times move on people, move with them.

Errr, you may well have a point, it may well be a bit xenophobic, but it will still happen. Where are the Indian manufactured cars on todays roads in the UK? Have we ever seen an Indian manufactured car here? The only one I can think of is the Cityrover and we know what happened to the Rover company shortly afterwards. People do not see white goods in the same way as cars, they just aren't the same thing. I'd strongly suggest having a look at what people have to drive in India before saying the Defender will be any better made over there. They drive lorries with wooden cabs still!

I do agree though that JLR has work to do when it comes to QC, look at that JD Power survey thingy... 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
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26th Jan 2012 1:05pm

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

Hmmm - I am a bit of a nationalist, and try to buy products with as much British content as possible, keeps jobs in UK, reduces the peeps on the dole, hence reduces my tax liability, and keeps my neighbour and me in a job... I'll put back New Zealand Lamb on the supermarket shelf and look for the British stuff (afterall our fields are full of it...and maybe buying local helps my "food miles" so it's good for the local farmer, the ozone layer and my tax bill!).

There was a lovely line in the Today newspaper a while back (aimed at Scotland)...I quote:

Quote:
The average Scot drives a Japanese/Korean car to the Irish Pub to drink Belgian Beer
Dressed in clothes from Singapore/Taiwan/China
On the way home collects a Chinese/Indian/Italian take-away
Sits on a Swedish Sofa
Switches on a Japanese TV
Watches American programmes
...and THEN COMPLAINS ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY!

... whilst this may be a bit naive, I like the sentiment, we don't buy much of our own stuff as it is!

At least we may get complimentary poppadums with the 12000 mile service

As said before, better look after that chassis... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

26th Jan 2012 1:19pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

MartinK wrote:
Hmmm - I am a bit of a nationalist, and try to buy products with as much British content as possible, keeps jobs in UK, reduces the peeps on the dole, hence reduces my tax liability, and keeps my neighbour and me in a job... I'll put back New Zealand Lamb on the supermarket shelf and look for the British stuff (afterall our fields are full of it...and maybe buying local helps my "food miles" so it's good for the local farmer, the ozone layer and my tax bill!).

Lord bless you Sir

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26th Jan 2012 1:26pm

xatzhs

Member Since: 12 Dec 2010
Location: Northumberland & Down South
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davew wrote:
This is usually followed by a discussion of how great the "foreign" country is although "have you found anywhere that can supply proper bacon/baked beans/brown sauce etc... ?".

As someone currently living in Spain, I can assure you... Proper bacon is something that you do not laugh about. Almost impossible to find anything decent here.

I came with a box the size of my 90 full of tea, so thankfully nothing to worry about there

However back to the original topic, I would agree with Dave in saying we really need to be more open minded about buying foreign. Yes I do try and support local farmers and buy meat and veg from markets, not supermarkets when I'm back in the UK, however the world is a very international place nowadays - time to accept that! I don't see myself leaving LR if they keep the current Defender as a side-project to the DC100.

26th Jan 2012 1:35pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

I fully support an international marketplace - it would just be nice if Britain still had something tangible to trade... Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

26th Jan 2012 1:46pm

Pam W

Member Since: 25 Oct 2011
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 1169

I try to buy British agricultural produce. It really makes sense for many reasons. Some things you haven't much choice, especially if you want out of season stuff.

Don't do Danish Bacon OR New Zealand lamb.Ever. Would rather go without.

My other half mentioned something about brown sauce earlier.He remembers only too well when HP Sauce changed from being made in Birmingham to being made in the Netherlands. I refused to buy it.

Unfortunately, it is the best and only brown sauce for bacon and sausage butties and eventually I had to succumb and begin purchasing again.

I will not buy Terry's Chocolate Orange any more though. Firstly it was a crime to close the Terry's factory in York and send manufacturing abroad. That, coupled with that an the moving of some of the Rowntree (Nestle) production abroad pretty much brought the death knell to the sugar beat agri-industy in the Vale of York, which supplied much of the sugar for the chocolate. Downward spiral, knock on effects, jobs lost, etc. Not to be underestimated.... I got an orange given last year so ate it begrudgingly but as I found out it doesn't taste anything like as good - different water, different milk, different sugar... who knows....

26th Jan 2012 2:11pm

dnorrishill

Member Since: 15 Jul 2011
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 616

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Wonder if it a ploy to get government subsidy to build it here? Especially as current government want to boost UK manufacturing to help balance of payments.

Also reading the article again they say "some models" so maybe they will do what they are doing with Freelander - building the ones for Asian markets in India, but ones for US and Europe in the UK?

26th Jan 2012 2:34pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green

It is good to hear that people are buying British, but unfortunately you are in the tiny minority, plus, where do you shop? Tesco, Morrisons..... Remember all these supermarkets aren't British, and they pay the farmers

all for their produce. Only way you are really supporting British is or buying from a local farm shop

I have always bought British.... The first new car I bought was a Rover 25..... I justified the fact it cost £500 over the price of a Pug 306 because it was British.... but 80% of the people I spoke to after said they would have saved the £500 and bought French.... and lets not get onto European build quality. I had ONE fault in 5 years 82,000 miles of ownership where my brother had 7 recalls in the first year on his Pug 206.

Alfa Romeo, fiat...... I think they use wood instead of copper in their electrical systems!!
Peugot, Renault, Citroen..... Great for 3-5 years and then they start falling apart
Saab...... Who are they again?
Even Audi are producing quite a lot of problem cars at the moment.

Considering that Indian, Malaysian cars were unheard of 5 years ago and now they are offering 7 year warranties which is taking the market by storm.... How many KIA, SANGYONG, Daewoo cars are you now seeing on the road compared to 3 years ago?...... every year they are selling more and more all because the general British population are soo shallow they will prefer to save 50p than buy British.

Since 2007 I have been living in and out of the UK (Germany, Canada, Cyprus)...... I have to say I am proud to be British (even put my life on the line for it) but I know I will never live there by choice. When I visit friends and family I get itchy to leave again after a few weeks. Hopefully things are changing though and Britain will become a power again and not a soft weak country.

I agree with benefit caps.

Rant over, and put the soap box back away.
Glyn

26th Jan 2012 2:42pm

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

Interesting thread this...

This week, I have been visiting a large organisation

At the moment, their union are giving them stickers about "don't offshore our jobs".

The car park is full of cheap imports (kia, hyundai, etc)...so it's OK to offshore car workers' jobs...but not their own??? Is this a case of "not in my backyard" or just double-standards?

Jaguar / Land Rover have ~19,000 employees in UK - that's a lot to face the axe, and a lot for the working population to fund from tax

I hope we support them...I do.

MrsK has just bought an Evoque. Had it been a Kia, she would have been washing it herself

Glynparry25 wrote:
the general British population are soo shallow they will prefer to save 50p than buy British.

Glyn

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26th Jan 2012 3:24pm

SteveT247

Member Since: 21 Feb 2011
Location: Central
Posts: 491

2002 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

MartinK wrote:

Jaguar / Land Rover have ~19,000 employees in UK - that's a lot to face the axe, and a lot for the working population to fund from tax I hope we support them...I do.

On top of the actual car workers there is also the parts suppliers and the myriad of other industries that support/co depend and loss of jobs there.

26th Jan 2012 3:51pm

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

Glynparry25 wrote:
Since 2007 I have been living in and out of the UK (Germany, Canada, Cyprus)...... I have to say I am proud to be British (even put my life on the line for it) but I know I will never live there by choice. When I visit friends and family I get itchy to leave again after a few weeks. Hopefully things are changing though and Britain will become a power again and not a soft weak country.

I agree with benefit caps.

Oh God - it's like reading from a mirror - frightening

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

26th Jan 2012 4:40pm

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3443

He said benifit caps not flat caps

26th Jan 2012 4:55pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

MartinK wrote:
Interesting thread this...

This week, I have been visiting a large organisation

At the moment, their union are giving them stickers about "don't offshore our jobs".

The car park is full of cheap imports (kia, hyundai, etc)...so it's OK to offshore car workers' jobs...but not their own??? Is this a case of "not in my backyard" or just double-standards?

Jaguar / Land Rover have ~19,000 employees in UK - that's a lot to face the axe, and a lot for the working population to fund from tax I hope we support them...I do.

MrsK has just bought an Evoque. Had it been a Kia, she would have been washing it herself

Glynparry25 wrote:
the general British population are soo shallow they will prefer to save 50p than buy British.

Glyn
Shallow, thoughtless, or just bent on self-destruction?

Their pay is probably so low they can't afford to buy a new car anyway, so they buy a cheap car which will be foreign. Many people have no choice but to buy what they can afford, and for many, thats not a lot. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

26th Jan 2012 5:26pm

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