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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10379  
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Wow
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29th Dec 2011 7:04pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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can lights be too bright ?
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29th Dec 2011 8:00pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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again WOW......led headlights and light bar on the list
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29th Dec 2011 8:01pm |
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| Sonic3d Member Since: 28 Jan 2008 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 1505 
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Just bought the same led light bar to fit on the Can Am
 also have 2 10" ones to fit on the sides. |
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29th Dec 2011 9:24pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101
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do do do do doooooo
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29th Dec 2011 9:30pm |
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I will have to be carefull and not turn my lights on if following him as the reflection on his BALD head would dazzle me 
| Honker Member Since: 26 Jun 2011 Location: St Albans Posts: 353  
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Thats seriously bright! The change from the light bar on, to normal dipped is incredible. Have fun with it. Stu |
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29th Dec 2011 10:16pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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tonight I tested my 4" rear Rigid Industries work LED light ... wow, 40" ordered I'm sure it will be visible from space when I test that baby
Interestingly the unit gets warm, I didn't think LEDs got warm
More info: http://www.rigidindustries.com/product-p/eseries4.htm Last edited by bpman on 26th Apr 2012 6:25am. Edited 3 times in total |
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25th Apr 2012 9:01pm |
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| XS Pete Member Since: 13 Jan 2011 Location: Suffolk Posts: 632 
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They will do if you get enough of them together to create an appreciable load, particularly the higher power chip LEDs which can consume a Watt or two each. Pete |
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25th Apr 2012 9:18pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580
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That is why good LED lights have an aluminium case with lots of cooling fins on. The real measurement which is useful for the operator is light output measured in lumens. There are two measurements in light out put and that is RAW lumens and EFFECTIVE lumens. The effective lumen is the real figure of interest. Effective lumens is about 40% less then the raw lumens and about 10-20% of the raw lumens is lost as thermal lost which means heat build up in the unit. So when comparing light outputs just check what figures you are being given! 1500 RAW lumens sounds better then 900 EFFECTIVE lumens but is the same real light output. So what figures are you being quoted RAW or EFFECTIVE lumens? Brendan |
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25th Apr 2012 9:22pm |
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| SteveS Member Since: 05 Oct 2010 Location: Devon & Berkshire Posts: 388 
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You'll be pleased to know that your 40" bar has loads of fins sticking out the back to keep it cool. As Brendan says - there is some heat generated in the LED itself - particularly when pushed hard (electrically) and the control/supply circuits will generate some heat too. The point is that for a given light output LEDs have a higher conversion rate of light from energy and less heat from energy than say incandescent. Some technical blurb courtesy of http://www.ledsmagazine.com/features/4/8/1 The section on thermal design below indicates why thermal management is so important to stop them self destructing/or early failures Driving LED lamps – some simple design guidelines LEDs can easily be integrated into a circuit design provided that certain design rules are observed, writes Julian Cooper. LED lamps are relatively simple to work with – requiring no ignition voltage to start, and generating no nasty spikes or surges. Observing some simple rules of thumb, however, will improve the efficiency of the lamp and prolong its life. Applications with exacting requirements in terms of light wavelength or other performance can also be readily addressed, provided that some specific characteristics of LED operation are recognised by the designer. Figure 1 Driving LED light sources LEDs are semiconductors with light-emitting junctions designed to use low-voltage, constant current DC power to produce light. LEDs have polarity and, therefore, current only flows in one direction. Driving LEDs is relatively simple and, unlike fluorescent or discharge lamps, they do not require an ignition voltage to start. Too little current and voltage will result in little or no light, and too much current and voltage can damage the light-emitting junction of the LED diode. A typical LED forward voltage vs. forward current profile is given in Figure 1. It can be seen that, for a given temperature, a small change in forward voltage produces a disproportionately large change in forward current. In addition, the forward voltage required to achieve a desired light output can vary with LED die size, LED die material, LED die lot variations, and temperature. Figure 2 As LEDs heat up, the forward voltage drops (Figure 2) and the current passing through the LED increases. The increased current generates additional heating of the junction. If nothing limits the current, the junction will fail due to the heat. This phenomenon is referred to as thermal runaway. By driving LED light sources with a regulated constant-current power supply the light output variation and lifetime issues resulting from voltage variation and voltage changes can be eliminated. Therefore, constant current drivers are generally recommended for powering LED light sources. For some applications, current-limiting devices such as resistors can be an inexpensive alternative to constant-current drivers for restricting current flow. However, there are many trade-offs. First, resistors generate heat and, therefore, waste power. The heat generated by resistors needs to be dissipated. In addition, voltage changes from supply voltage variations will translate into changes in light output, and with resistors alone there is no protection for the LEDs to prevent damage from high voltage. A few applications, such as portable lighting, may tolerate these trade-offs but, for most applications resistors are not recommended. Figure 3 Light output Light output of LED light sources increases with increasing drive current. However the efficiency, expressed in lumens per watt, is adversely affected. Figure 3 illustrates this relationship. LED lamps normally have a “Test” current listed on the product data sheets. This Test current is provided as a reference point for other technical information provided. Drive currents may be chosen at any current up to the maximum recommended current for the specific LED light source used. Driving LED light sources above the maximum recommended currents may result in lower lumen maintenance or, with excessive currents, catastrophic failure. Temperature effects Performance characteristics of LED light sources are specified for a rated current and for an LED die junction temperature of 25°C. Since most LEDs operate well above 25°C, these values should be considered for reference only and the light output should be based on the anticipated operating temperatures. The light output from an LED light source decreases with increasing LED die junction temperature. Higher LED die junction temperatures, resulting from increased power dissipation or changes in ambient temperature, can have a significant effect on light output. Red and amber die manufactured from the AlGaInP (aluminium indium gallium phosphorus) material system are more sensitive to temperature effects than blue and green InGaN (indium gallium nitride)-based devices. Figure 4 Therefore, it is important to consider the effects of temperature when designing for specific light output or efficacy levels, and to maximize the thermal management of the system. Figure 4 shows the changes in light output for LED die versus LED die junction temperature. In addition to affecting light output, temperature also has an effect on the dominant and peak wavelength. LED die wavelength characteristics are commonly reported at 25°C junction temperatures. With increasing LED die junction temperatures resulting from higher drive currents or ambient conditions, wavelengths typically increase in from 0.03 to 0.13 nm/°C, depending on die type. Temperature variation can also cause slight shifts in colour temperature for LED white light sources. Applications requiring specific wavelengths or colour temperature should take this effect into account when designing drive conditions and heat sinking. Electrical design Driving single LED light sources in non-dimming applications is relatively simple. A constant-current driver is chosen to deliver the desired current, with enough forward voltage output to accommodate the maximum input voltage of the LED source. LED light sources are not designed to be driven with a reverse voltage. Driving multiple LED light sources with one driver is generally done with the LEDs arranged in series strings to avoid uneven light levels resulting from voltage variations. When selecting a series string driver, the output voltage should be high enough to accommodate the sum of the maximum input voltages of LED light sources. Dimming and PWM Dimming LEDs is most commonly done either by lowering the current, or through a technique called Pulsed Width Modulation (PWM). LEDs have a very quick response time (~20 nanoseconds), and instantaneously reach full light output. Therefore, many of the undesirable effects resulting from varying current levels, such as wavelength shift or forward voltage changes, can be minimized by driving the light engine at its rated current and rapidly switching that current on and off. This technique, known as PWM, is the best way to achieve stable results for applications that require dimming to less than 40% of rated current. By keeping the current at the rated level and varying the ratio of the pulse “on” time versus the time from pulse to pulse (commonly referred to as the duty cycle), the brightness can be lowered. The human eye can not detect individual light pulses at a rate greater than 200 cycles per second and averages the light intensity thereby perceiving a lower level of light. Thermal design With increasing power there is increased thermal load and more heat to dissipate. Higher temperatures of the LED light sources can result in reduced lumen maintenance and shorten useful life. When designing a new system, a heat sink should be selected with sufficient cooling capacity to keep the die junction below 125ºC. If designing around an existing heat sink the maximum operating current for a given heat sink design is the lower of (1) The maximum rated current for the LED light source, or (2) The current to maintain the LED die junction temperature below the maximum specified temperature. LEDs generally must be operated at or below a junction temperature of 125°C. The LED junction temperature (Tj) can be calculated from the array power dissipation (Pd), the array thermal resistance (Ra), the thermal resistance of the material used to attach the array to the heat sink (Rb), the ambient temperature (Ta), and the thermal resistance of the heat sink (Rh). The following formula gives the array junction temperature: Tj = Ta + Pd (Rh + Rb + Ra) Conclusion LEDs offer an energy-efficient, low maintenance form of indication or illumination. The foregoing discussion demonstrates that their characteristics also make them very easy to integrate successfully into a circuit design. Providing some simple design rules are observed, these components will provide long term, reliable service. |
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25th Apr 2012 10:19pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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- interesting read
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26th Apr 2012 6:36am |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678
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I see D44 have stopped supplying the 'Rigid Industries' LED lightbars, have you ordered yours direct from the States ? |
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26th Apr 2012 7:55am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2635  
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I have clear lenses with uprated bulbs, but light bar is definitely on my list now
Ok, maybe not, at US$ $1,299.99 --
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26th Apr 2012 8:17am |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678
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How do our prices compare Naks ?
http://www.farrowsclassics.co.uk/alienXplorer-L-E-D-Lightbar.html |
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26th Apr 2012 8:21am |
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