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Sillyoldme



Member Since: 26 Mar 2025
Location: Birmingham
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Air con- is it working? And mud flaps
Hello,

New here so please don’t shout!
I’ve been using this forum as a source of all knowledge but I thought I need to ask a few questions as I can’t really find any answers and I’m sure you guys will know them!

I’ve had my defender for 3 years now and so far it’s been a very reliable motor. I’m not very DIY, labd rover main dealer seem useless and super expensive but I thought if I know how to fix a few things I can get the husband to do these things for me!

First question. Is the air con generally crap, or is mine just not working? My defender is 2016 and when I bought it in 2021 the air con seemed better than it is now! (At least that’s how I remember it)
I had it regassed last year but not sure it made much difference. (Soon after regasssing I thought I saw Vapor/smoke coming out of the front vents but not sure if I was imagining it)
How can I check if it’s all working as it should be?

2 years ago the car went back to LR for a few niggles as it was still under approved used warranty. They took the panel off for some reason that holds all the controls and two things I noticed is that a) I now can’t select air re-circ- the lever just won’t move at all and the heating controls seem to be hot/cold. No way of making it anything in between!

Second question. I lost a mudflat on the rear of my defender. It’s a 110. Not sure if it fell off or someone stole it. Bought a new one and just looking at it, not sure how it attached to the body? I thought there would be a hole to screw the thing on, but looks like there is a chunk of the body missing. Is that how it should be or did a bit of the body get ripped out of mine?

Thank you very much in advance
Post #1063985 26th Mar 2025 11:11pm
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jst



Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
What's the cooling matrix on the front of the vehicle look like, May need replacing?

Mud flaps attach to a to plate that has an integral bar that runs to the chassis and bol hole to rear qtr panel.

https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/lr055330...hicap.html

You can buy them as one like above or buy flap and bracket separately.

It's worth upgrading to gwyn Lewis mud flap mountings in my opinion, lush his mud shields. Cheers

James
110 2010 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
Post #1063986 26th Mar 2025 11:18pm
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Sillyoldme



Member Since: 26 Mar 2025
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Hmm

What does a cooling matrix look like in the first place? Smile (this wil be painful for you guys, sorry!)

The mudflap in the link is what I have. The issue I have is that the bit that attaches to the body panel is half a circle shape, the body panel bit is also like that but in reverse so how does that stay attached? Or am I being just thick ? (Probably)
Post #1063988 26th Mar 2025 11:37pm
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Ianh



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Regarding,

2 years ago the car went back to LR for a few niggles as it was still under approved used warranty. They took the panel off for some reason that holds all the controls and two things I noticed is that a) I now can’t select air re-circ- the lever just won’t move at all and the heating controls seem to be hot/cold. No way of making it anything in between!

Regarding recirculation lever , it looks like the dealer messed up and jammed the lever / cable , removing the centre part of the dash should allow you to see / correct the issue. Lots of info on here regarding removing the dash centre.

Regarding the heater being either hot or cold with nothing in between. I’m afraid that’s normal with our Puma’s.
Post #1063992 26th Mar 2025 11:43pm
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Sillyoldme



Member Since: 26 Mar 2025
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Could they have messed up something else that’s causing the poor temperature control or is that just how it is?
I remember when I first got the car I was so pleased I had air con….but now I’m not sure it’s doing much. I know it’s not going to be as good as a modern car but this is pretty crap now.
Post #1063994 27th Mar 2025 12:05am
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Ianh



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The controls for heat and vent are all on the same unit, so in theory if they messed up the recirculating lever they could have messed up other things.

However the valve that controls the flow of hot water into the heater matrix and it’s connection to the heater control on the dash via a Bowden cable is pretty rudimentary. Which results in a minuscule level of control between hot and cold. Hence what you are experiencing is unfortunately the norm.

Regarding your Air conditioning, I think you have a component failure. If you are not used to fault finding and working on defenders I would advise getting a good independent defender specialist or specialist vehicle aircon company to investigate the problem as it can be quite complex for a novice.

Ps people on here can advise on a good Indi near you. Noting IRB developments are in Birmingham and Ian ( Porny on here) specialises in our Defenders
Post #1063996 27th Mar 2025 12:49am
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HardCharger



Member Since: 03 Mar 2013
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Philippines 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
As others have said, there is a cable the links to the control and it most likely wasn't reinstalled properly.

A thing you can also check is if the part of the heater where the cable is connected to is completely down in shut off position. This is a common pain and there are some solutions to it but for now, just press down on the bit and cool should be cool and not cool-ish.

You may want to have your evaporator coil checked and it will probably need replacing as there is most likely a pin hole in there somewhere causing refrigerant to escape. If this is indeed the problem, don't forget to tell the AC shop to top off the oil in the compressor as well when they replace the coil or the compressor may be your next problem.

I hope this helps. No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy
Post #1063997 27th Mar 2025 1:24am
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DSC-off



Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Mud Flap Fixing.

Hi,
It's a common problem for the fixing hole to tear out of the wing and the flap drops off. Pictures in the link below.
A piece of aluminium angle can be screwed or riveted inside the wing to repair it.
Or YRM do a kit with repair panels, screws and adhesive/sealant:

https://yrmit.co.uk/product/mudflap-wing-s...ender-110/

Is the fixing still there in the chassis to fix the other end?
It should be a rivnut, a threaded insert in the side of the chassis, if it didn't pull out when the flap fell off.
Post #1063998 27th Mar 2025 3:28am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Re: Air con- is it working? And mud flaps
Sillyoldme wrote:
...I lost a mudflat on the rear of my defender. It’s a 110. Not sure if it fell off or someone stole it. Bought a new one and just looking at it, not sure how it attached to the body? I thought there would be a hole to screw the thing on, but looks like there is a chunk of the body missing. Is that how it should be or did a bit of the body get ripped out of mine?

Thank you very much in advance


Mudflaps do sometimes simply fall off once the outer end of the support corrodes the wing (see port above and link to YRM), but the most common reason for their departure is reversing into a high kerb or roadside bank which can cause the mudflap to get trapped between the wheel and the kerb or bank, and simply ripped off. This is the reason why off-road oriented Defenders often have chains or cords from the crossmember to the bottom of the mudflap.

I've lost two in the last 15 years off my 110. The first came off whilst I was driving along a road which was flooded to about top-of-wheel depth, I don't know why it came off but it had gone when I came out of the water. It had broken the flange at the bottom of the wing and sheared the machine screw at the chassis end. I never saw it again and had to buy a new one Sad . The second I pinched between a grassy bank and the rear wheel when trying to give a tractor with a huge agricultural thing attached space to get past on a narrow country lane. Fortunately in my mirror I saw the mudflap on the bank as I drove off so was able to recover that one. Interestingly after I had repaired the mountings of both flaps after the flood incident, the mounting was so strong that the rubber pulled off the rivets holding it to the mounting bar without causing any damage to anything.

It is well worth using the YRM kit or fabricating something similar to repair the bottom of the wing but be aware that rear mudflaps are vulnerable.
Post #1064003 27th Mar 2025 9:27am
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bodstruck



Member Since: 09 May 2020
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I fitted Gwyn Lewis rear mudflap brackets which come with a strengthener plate for the bottom of the rear wing. The mudflap itself is removable too.

https://gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/product/defende...ub-gl1003/
Post #1064024 27th Mar 2025 1:55pm
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Sillyoldme



Member Since: 26 Mar 2025
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Thank you for all the comments

The fixing is still there in the chassis with a tiny bit of the mud flap bracket. I lost it somewhere on the motorway between scotland and England. We don’t really do any off roaring

Just checked the remaining rear mudflap and it’s attached to chassis only with the other end wobbly and resting on the body panel- no fixing, the hole is torn out. I guess I’ll be losing that soon too!

Thank you for the links, I like the reinforcement thing better than the other mudflaps, will definitely invest in that. The rear looks so much better with the mudflaps.

Regarding the heater cable:
Where does the other end go for me to check?
Post #1064063 27th Mar 2025 8:13pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Re. The heater, it's fairly normal for a Puma to have only cold and inferno heat settings, they really aren't very controllable, so there may be nothing wrong there. The fresh/stuffy flap is, as I recall, above the passengers toes and this is where the far end of the cable will go. If the knob doesn't move at all it may be that the flap is jammed but is perhaps more likely that the cable is pinched or kinked.

If you were to pop the radio out and remove the centre panel (the heater controls stay in place) you will probably be able to determine what's wrong.
Post #1064065 27th Mar 2025 8:25pm
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Birdy



Member Since: 07 Oct 2011
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France 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
“... no fixing, the hole is torn out.”

Depending on how much of the lip has torn away, you might get away with a strip of metal on top of it and some big washers. That’s how I re-fixed mine. But I’m a cheap-skate.

Peter
Post #1064090 27th Mar 2025 11:11pm
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