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Alextw



Member Since: 25 Feb 2025
Location: South Lakes
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Tamar Blue
Preventative Carbon Cleaning
Hello all, first post here for me, I’m lucky to have a low mileage puma 90 with no issues, but obviously I wanna keep it that way! I’d like to prevent problems with carbon build up which used to plague my old disco, any recommendations? I’m open to having an annual ‘carbon clean’ at a garage for preventative purposes, but if there’s a comprehensive carbon cleaning additive any one would recommend, it’d be much appreciated. Cheers, Alex
Post #1061304 25th Feb 2025 9:13am
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Ianh



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If it’s a 2.4 have the EGR mapped out and fit a genuine Mann Hummel ProVent 200 oil catch can.
If you have a 2.2 then then you can’t map the EGR out without mapping out and removing the DPF and replacing with a “Faux DPF” and hope thats not noticed at your subsequent MoTs.

Else you can change oil every 5k miles, run a bottle of Forte injector cleaner through the engine ( ideally via filling Fuel filter) once every oil change and use millers ecomax each time you fill with diesel. Noting if I had a 2.4 I would map out EGR and fit a ProVent.

For my 2.2 I change engine oil and filter at 5k miles or once a year, whichever comes first.I also change the air filter and fuel filter at the same time. I run a bottle of Forte injector cleaner via the new filter at the same time and use millers ecomax each time I fill with diesel. As it’s a 2.2 with a DPF the glow plugs are not just used for cold starting, they are used a fair bit while the engine is running ( no Glowpug light illumination). So ensuring you have a decent diagnostic tool such as a Nanocom or GAP IDTool to test and highlight glowpug DTC’s is beneficial . And if faults are detected then don’t leave it, change the glowplugs for new quality ones I.e Bosch ASAP
When I recently changed my glow plugs I noticed the inlet manifold was clean with minor carbon. My Map sensor was also very clean, so either my driving pattern ( no short journeys) or / and my engine care measures seem to be working.


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Post #1061320 25th Feb 2025 12:37pm
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
If I'm not mistaken, these carbon clean products are all introduced via the fuel system. So on a DI diesel like ours, at best all they'll do is clean the injectors and cylinders. I can't see how it'll have any effect on the carbon build-up in the intake and inlet manifold which is the problem area. Also, I struggle to see how these chemicals would survive the combustion process and somehow clean the EGR. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
Post #1061325 25th Feb 2025 1:20pm
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Ianh



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I agree Bluest, i don’t think the additives will clean the EGR or inlet manifold, what I do think they do is keep the engine running as efficiently and clean as it can and therefore reduces the amount of carbon that reaches the EGR and inlet manifold. My glow plugs had minimal carbon on them as well, which is a godsend for removal. I expect the additives helped this.
Post #1061326 25th Feb 2025 1:32pm
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MK



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White
Or fit a blanking plate with a hole, between the exhaust manifold and egr cooler. I cannot remember the minimum hole size though. Puma 110" SW

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Post #1061327 25th Feb 2025 1:41pm
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Post #1061329 25th Feb 2025 1:59pm
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Julie



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Ianh wrote:
When I recently changed my glow plugs I noticed the inlet manifold was clean with minor carbon. My Map sensor was also very clean, so either my driving pattern ( no short journeys) or / and my engine care measures seem to be working.


^^^^ Inlet manifold + sensors are also very clean on my 2.2

No additional clean mesures - only oïl + filter changes as scheduled

It's the same driving pattern, which keeps the engine clean
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Post #1061371 25th Feb 2025 8:00pm
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