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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1230  
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2046qlwzz3o
..... to be made illegal .....  |
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23rd Feb 2025 11:37am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3574  
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Absolutely agree, Ianh
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23rd Feb 2025 1:33pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2657  
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The real issue is the stupidity of keyless entry and starting. At what point did it become a major issue to press a fob button and turn a key !!! What idiot thought that having the fob constantly broadcasting was a good idea Rolling Eyes
I think the Faguar advert showed that the industry doesn’t live in the real world, that and the corporate suicide they call EV’s. Too many idiots trying to outsmart each other where real world opinions are never listened to, pretty well the same way they run local councils and government….. |
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23rd Feb 2025 2:47pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3574
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I believe the mainstream motor industry is in serious trouble and yes, out of touch is a fair analysis.
They build cars that hardly anyone can afford They create daft credit arrangements that mean that you pay handsomely for a car that will never belong to you. They create vehicles that depreciate at an eyewatering rate. It's a good job your house doesn't depreciate like a car. They build cars that are so complex that even a small accident, writes the car off. Does anyone remember when bumpers were a dispensable item that could be replaced reasonably cheaply after a small altercation with a wall? These days it will be £4K and a trip to the bodyshop. From what I recall, my Mk2 Fiesta end cap was about £30 inclusive of the VAT. It was pre-coloured. These established companies need to be very very afraid of the Chinese. They are creating cars that are semi-affordable and reliable. See what the Japanese motorcycle industry did to the British Motorcycle Manufacturers in the late 60's early 70's. Everyone laughed at those pesky Japanese with their cheap bikes and Jap-crap alloys but who had the last laugh? Who could actually afford to go out and buy a £70K car for cash. Unless you have had a large inheritance I suspect very few people? And £70K+ for a vehicle that can be stolen by an oik with a £30 gadget off eBay. You really couldn't make it up. The car industry is broken |
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23rd Feb 2025 3:07pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1156  
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If they made it illegal to steal cars you would solve all car theft.. oh wait..
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23rd Feb 2025 5:22pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1156
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On my disco 4 I always forget where I put my keys, while on my defender I somehow always seem to leave them at the same place.. there where they are not in the way and I can reach the garage remote, even in the dark. It's a real clever design |
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23rd Feb 2025 5:27pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1105  
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"More than 700,000 vehicles were broken into last year "
that's four times higher than in Germany (ca 2% as opposed to 0,5%, relativ to number of cars; number of cars per 1,000 people is about the same) |
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23rd Feb 2025 8:13pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6143 
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Just like (in the UK) the "banning" of selling pointy knives to stop scrotes/gang members/wannabe yardies from possessing them.... ooh look, a bench grinder can create a pointy bit on a knife.... ah but the gov't did all they could..... |
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23rd Feb 2025 8:21pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17619 
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I've never understood the UK approach that if something illegal is being done, making it more illegal will magically solve the problem. It never does.
Laws only affect the law-abiding, criminals break the law whatever the law may say.
So what is different in Germany? Cars cannot be harder to steal since they are the same cars, is it just a cultural thing, or are criminals treated more appropriately thereby creating an effective deterrent? |
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24th Feb 2025 9:26am |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1105
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Good question. One aspect may be a stronger separation of social classes, or maybe that's just regionally different as with any country? Should be interesting to compare statistics on income and education.
Cultural influence, for sure, whatever that may be exactly 
When I came to South Wales first time in the mid-90s, my motorcycle was stolen after 2 days. I had parked it on the street in front of the house, with a brake-disc lock attached. Police found out the thieves had stolen a van to throw my bike in. They also said they knew who had done it, but they lived in the hills where the police wouldn't go because it was a "death trap". I was shocked on so many levels. Back then this just wouldn't happen in Germany. Once I left my bike on the pavement at home, busy city, with the ignition key and the neutral-gear lamp telling everyone in bright green about it. After 2 days it was still there untouched. As for the police: most stolen cars are brought to Poland and other east European countries (although 70% of the thieves have a German nationality). So about 10 years ago police intensified co-operation with Europol, France, Poland, Lithuania and others. However, I don't think that would deter any scum bag from taking what's not his. |
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24th Feb 2025 9:51am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3574
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One of the things we do at work when things go wrong is to have an inquiry into what the root cause of the problem is. It is a fantastic idea and although we cannot always stop the problem happening again, through lack of budget or people or both, once you know the absolute cause, it makes the mitigation so much easier.
As a country, we are very good at sticking plasters. The catalytic converter was a prime example. Instead of developing lean burn engines we 'put a drip tray under an oil leak' by introducing cats. The root cause of these thefts are the systems and processes the car manufacturers are installing. It would be very interesting to see a lawyer try and challenge the approach to the car security. The manufacturers solution to security was woefully inadequate. Why should you need to use a separate crock lock on pedals and or wheels? I sort of accept with the Defender this is needed because it is fundamentally an old design but on a brand new car? That is almost laughable! Similar kind of cost cutting seen at Boeing with the 737 Max albeit with a much more catastrophic result. Goes to show how low multinational companies will stoop in the dash for cash. Making a car secure can't be that hard. These things are less secure than a Mk2 Escort was. It doesn't seem like we have learnt a lot in the intervening years. |
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24th Feb 2025 6:51pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5242
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when you watch this documentary &list=WL&index=41
and you look at the present day, practically  all has changed Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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24th Feb 2025 7:26pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1105
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Not sure I can agree here. For one, not blaming the criminals and ONLY the criminals for crime is a very dangerous mindset. Forgive me my association but today is FCK PTN day and it's criminals like him and Deranged Donald Dumb who try guilt reversal to justify their atrocities. Victims can never be blamed. Yes, car manufacturers try to save every penny and would only spend more when forced to. Yes, cars could be made more theft-proof, but scum bags have always found a way around every measure. It seems criminal energy and creativity is higher in criminal than in engineers  |
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24th Feb 2025 9:51pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 875 
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"onus will be on someone in possession of a device to show they had it for a legitimate purpose"
Becoming more and more the norm... "Guilty until proven innocent" Peter |
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26th Feb 2025 2:31pm |
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