Chris86 wrote:

We have been here before.

And I'm afraid I'm going to disagree with you again, its slightly beside the point as the OP is asking about performance on the road.

I would say that in really thick clay/mud they are probably outperformed by the likes of the Bridgestone Dueller and probably this latest set of Yokohamas we are running on the pickup.

However, we have been consistently impressed by them on sand, gravel and wet grass- also by their damage and chip resistance- and we DO get to compare performance week in, week out back to back with other vehicles on training courses and difficult access work.

In the more scientific side of it I am involved with testing tyres independently for tyre production companies (none of whom are Toyo..........)

As an MT and an allrounder they are pretty hard to beat.

I possibly recounted the story before, but in a back to back mud terrain tyre test where we had 7 sets of tyres from different manufacturers PLUS the partworn Toyos fitted for the course setting out:

- Brand new tyres (all 7 sets)
- Same Car
- Same Driver (s) (test repeated twice to ensure no bias)
- Same ballasting of the car
- Same test route and obstacles
- Same tyre pressures
- Same gear choice and entry speed into obstacles

There were only 2 sets of tyres that completed the entire route which included, sand, sandstone, clay, wet grass, lighter loam type mud........One was the Toyos, which were not even part of the test as they were not new.........

Had I been able to get another set of Toyos when it came to to replace the first set, thats what would have gone back on.

Anyway, as I said, not the OP's original question, and Ill cease replying at this point, but I think its important that a balanced view is given.

Chris

I'm glad you like them

You are welcome to come to one of our RTV trials events if you want to see how they get on compared to other MTs. The National is at Stainby on the A1 this year, so not a bad drive from S. Yorkshire.

Having been to hundreds of trials over the years and seen even more vehicles, as well as having had the Toyos on the vehicle and knowing 3 other people running them. They certainly lag behind other MT's. Even green laning the person running these has struggle with traction in Wales. Despite having an Ashcroft ATB while the other vehicles have been all open diff.

custom90 wrote:

There is radial and cross ply to consider.

Unlikely to be an issue for the op, very rare to have crossply tres these days in the UK. They will, as in 99.9% of them be radial.

landy andy wrote:

I run BFG KM3s everyday, and have done for a while. Briefly tried the BFG KOs but didn’t find them any better, possibly worse, on road, and certainly not as good off road.

landy andy wrote:

Shame you’re not closer or you could have a go in my Td5 110. I have no soundproofing, not even carpets. Do about 6thou miles a year, longest drive will be 4-5 hours (wales off-roading), Demand exhaust fitted, and I don’t notice my muds (KM3s) over ATs.

landy andy wrote:

I can’t say I noticed any increase of noise going from BFG AT to BFG MT. but as I said I’m running no soundproofing and have a Demand exhaust. What I did find was a much more consistent drive with the muds. I really didn’t like the AT in the wet. They would suddenly stop gripping, the KMs I find much more consistent and predictable.

I think the AT's used to go "hard", although not so much with the KO2's, but there are different grades in the KO2. And looking about you get very mixed views on wet handling, some say great, some like you say not good.

My brother's KO2s are 33.10.50R15's and have always been great all round. But his Ninety is a 200Tdi and he also claims the KM3 and my General Grabber X3's he's currently using are almost as good as the KO2 on road. Although a slight difference at speed.

As said, I've always been in the MT camp....

My p38 for instance:


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But you do notice the Kumho MT51's over the road tyres.

Here are the KM3's, they are in 255/85:


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It went well, but being brutally honest, the factory fit 235/85 Goodyear MTR's actually run smoother on road. Although the MTR's make a horrid harmonic sound, but the KM3 wasn't silent, more of a rumble than a harmonic and you could feel the large knobbles on round abouts or fast bends.

I really wanted KM3's on my Jimny, but I was expecting to do lots of road miles pre covid. So I went with an AT. And I've been amazed at how good they are all round. Very nice on road in all weathers. And off road they have surpassed expectation. Working better than some MT's I've run.



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The Wormdrives impressed so much I have a set on the Ninety also now.


In the tyre shed or on other vehicles we have these tyres currently:


Yokohama X-MT in narrow 7.50 x 16 = these are one of the best MT's I've seen or used on grass, wet grass and mud in the home counties region. Very very impressive. Best "new" you can buy IMO for off road use. Not quite as good on road though and somewhat compromised, but amazingly good given their off road prowess.

BFG KM3
BFG KO2
Maxxis Wormdrive AT980
Toyo A/T3
Cooper STT (original pattern, hopeless off road, probably the worst MT I've used. Not bad on the road though).

General Grabber X3 - not as good off road as the KM3, but slightly nicer on it. They have Red side wall writing though!

Toyo Open Country MT (2nd worst MT tyre I've used off road, better than the STT, good on road, but not quite as good as the STT on the road)

Michellin XZL in 7.50 and 8.25 sizes (surprisingly capable and very tough, would be my go to laning or overlaning tyre)

Goodyear MTR - loud, as poor in the mud as the Toyo MT, although worked surprisingly well on the rocks in Wales

Ziarelli Brutal - remould, super super aggresive

Insa Turbo Special Track
Insa Turbo Sahara

Kindpin Diamonds
Blackstar Diamonds
Blackstar Guyane in narrow 7.00 x 16 - aggressive remould. These are my go to competition trialling tyres. Although the Yokohama X-MT is a good match, really showing how good X-MT is, as these Guyanes wipe the floor with the 'new' MT's off road.

Maxi 3D - the best off road tyre I've used ever!

Malatesta Kougar - Interco Bogger copy

Grizzly Claws

Silverstone MT-117


there are others I'm forgetting, mix of remould and new MT patterns.

Also had/used in the past:

BFG Trac Edge
BFG KO
Kumho KL-71
Simex Jungle Trekker II - crossply and either joint first or close 2nd off road road. But not great on it.
XCL
Scorpions



Never really had any of the modern RT patterns though. Maybe next time....

Joe22 wrote:

Evening

I’ll soon be buying 5 new wheels & tyres (likely Wolf rims or something similar).

I’m currently on Boost alloys with Maxxis Bravo A/T tyres. Nothing special but never had any issues with them.

I’d love a set of M/T tyres (because they look badass) but the reality is I do far more road & motorway miles than off road. So my question is.. how bad/noisy are they, compared to ATs?