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| Kev the Rev Member Since: 04 Jun 2023 Location: Ripon Posts: 47   
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Just watched a YT video on the new Denza B5
It’s a cross between the Defender and the new Toyota Land Cruiser 1.5L plus electric motors, about 600BHP Huge spec The best bit it’s about half the price of a Defender (but the price will probably go up) |
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19th Jan 2025 9:42pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20643
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Trouble is with Chinese stuff is, it’s unreliable in just about every way you can imagine even down to basic engineering and safety.
Sure, it’ll probably make the sign off for first PDI, but a year or two down the line some quite critical safety issues can develop. And these days after sales basically doesn’t exist unless you are a very high end buyer or lease or whatever it is they do, and regardless in that situation you are just hiring and never owning anyway. I don’t get how in the media they are allowed to call these things “Ch*nese L*and Rover” etc etc, keywords removed here deliberately. It’s a bit like the people who call a Suzuki Jimny a nice Jeep or calling a Jeep a LR, or calling a LR a Jeep. It isn’t, it just simply isn’t. TheThunder Rolls🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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19th Jan 2025 10:51pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1156  
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Or a car a "truck'
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20th Jan 2025 5:03am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2292 
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I've a couple of colleagues with now 2 year old BYDs which have survived without major breakdown or catching light ! Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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20th Jan 2025 8:54am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5880 
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As the saying goes: "No, it's not a Jeep, it's a Land Rover. Like a Jeep, but for men...." Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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20th Jan 2025 10:02am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20643
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Exactly.
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20th Jan 2025 10:40am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2535 
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We've seen all this before. In the 1970's the Japanese crept into an unsuspecting European and US market and quickly gained a name for quality vehicles. Then on the other side of the Sea of Japan we saw the South Koreans imitate the Japanese in the 1990's and rapidly secure market share due in short to their 7 year warranties, competitive prices and build quality.
The Chinese are now ready to saturate the western markets. It will be interesting to see once Donald Trump is sworn in today if like King Canute he can hold back the inrushing Chinese tide of cheap electric vehicles. Frightening thing is if he is successful then Europe and Australia will be flooded with them. Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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20th Jan 2025 11:37am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1446 
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If Chinese stuff is unreliable, make sure you have access to a hot poker, butchers knife, catgut and tar for any surgery you might need now or in the future...... Whilst we may not like China's dominance, saying that anything from China is rubbish, poor, unreliable or shoddy is only deluding ourselves like we did with the Japanese car and bike industry in the 70s, Kia, Hyundai and Skoda etc etc. I develop medical devices and we can't get components made to the quality we need in the UK or Europe so are reliant on China. It's a sad state of affairs, but the quality they can produce and the price they do it at is staggering. Just look at what's happening to the bike market at the moment. High quality, lower price and innovative technology are putting performance bikes within everyone's reach. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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20th Jan 2025 12:23pm |
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| ruben Member Since: 04 Feb 2021 Location: ASTURIAS Posts: 269 
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talking about consumer goods in general, especially those related to the automobile market, chinese products may sometimes be cheap and of good quality, but it is true that many other times, besides being cheap, they are also rubbish, you often find identical things at the same price with very different qualities.there is little systematicity in that, and is why that they are still not reliable.. but above all what they have not yet managed to do is acquire good taste, and they mostly copy! The Japanese and Koreans did not do that... they had, and still have, their own style, they are different. Defender 110 SE I6 D250 23MY
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20th Jan 2025 12:43pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20643
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Imagine if all that money (our £ GBP) spent on Ukraine was spent on the U.K. in-house manufacturing, probably would still have the Defender made in GB.
And much more besides. I don’t think many people want a copycat, but there will always be some. There was a lot of the motorbike market that was ripped off some years ago too, even copycat models of Japanese models as an example, then sold in GB. Many not fit for purpose and long since scrapped, ATV’s, UTV’s and more. I have purchased items before, electronics for example that are made in China, and it hasn’t worked straight out of the box, not even checked or reworked, just completely dead and not fit for purpose. There is some things that are okay, but you really do need to know exactly what you are getting first. China also doesn’t abide by rubbish like the EPA either, so they can knock out goods cheaply because they don’t have Eco regs to deal with and tax costings. Whilst that might seem a perk to them at first, it won’t be so good when they poison their water table with chemicals and things like that in their geographical area and wider seas. From their factories they are putting out forever chemicals into their own waterways, just to name one of a few things. (Which also then goes out to sea as well). There is inferior metals quality also. At least the U.K., US, and most of mainland Europe do clean up what is reasonable to expect environment wise. Though there is some bizarre conduct such as baling recycled materials, and instead of recycling in-house ship it abroad, then process it there, then buy it back again for a premium. You have only got to see the damage forever chemicals in Pestisides / Herbisides can do alone, still to this day traces can be found, from banned chemicals from decades ago. That doesn’t even include today: https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/09/fears-cance...20606531/# TheThunder Rolls🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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20th Jan 2025 7:00pm |
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| Pace Member Since: 19 Mar 2021 Location: Somerset Posts: 85
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The decision on where to manufacture the new Defender was made was over a decade ago, long before the Ukraine invasion.
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23rd Jan 2025 8:04am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1446
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Ah, the Ukraine argument  . What we’ve predominantly given Ukraine is old weapons and technology that they are using effectively to fight an unprovoked invasion. However, by doing so it has enabled us to reinvest in new weapons and technology thus helping the UK defence industry. It has also supported innovation and changes to developing and providing weapons and equipment for the new battlefield that has emerged from the war. All this supports jobs and skill development in the UK. But don’t let reality get in the way of ignorance.
Anyway, if you’re worried about cheap Chinese metals and parts, don’t fly. Also, hope you invested in Defence stocks.....  Click image to enlarge Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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23rd Jan 2025 10:29am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20643
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I don’t think it was unprovoked, A, it’s one of THE most corrupt countries in the world, and B, on Tv alone just a few days before it started off there was Ukrainian people on U.K. news saying, if we could kill as many Russians as we could we would probably lose, but be very proud to do so.
I believe it was some commander or someone like that, mind you they create their own certifications and paperwork from their own false institutions, there are a few other countries that do similar methodology as well, like Nigeria, Pakistan and other places, namely to try and achieve faked immigration to a foreign country. I have firsthand knowledge, of what lies these people say, they’ll even quite happily attempt to pervert the course of justice in law to try and achieve their ends. But always catches up with them in the end. As for Defence manufacturing, it’s no wonder the Gov clamped down on activism from Palestine groups and others damaging these buildings, as it is U.K. defence infrastructure. Stocks and Shares in that should be invested in anyway, as Defence spending has been below par for some time. I don’t think JLR are going to have a contract much longer with the MOD, as it doesn’t seem to be producing anything if interest or use to the British Army these days. Specialist manufacturers, that design military vehicles are the go to now it seems as they need to be more structurally sound to withstand explosives etc, and most are also bigger pieces of equipment, heavier due to armour etc. I wouldn’t argue over these things, but that’s just my views. The trouble also could be with the original subject is parts supply, whilst for perhaps a decade or so it could be plentiful, often after time parts do dry up. There is brand fandom with Jeep, Hummer, Defender and some others, but some do die out, often by parts shortages. Vauxhall Frontera perhaps, some running on breaker parts for a while, but, bit, by bit, becomes more scarce unless aftermarket manufacturers continue to build parts. There is quite a lot going on in GB with Manufacturing, but also depends on geographically where you are, there are some hives of activity, and some dead spots. Which is to be expected. As always each to their own, but brand names or following can’t be cloned nor can the origin of the original manufacturer either. Similar in design maybe, the Ineos Grenadier as an example, is the right way to do it, based on its own brand and no copying, but even that is made abroad so I understand. What happened to Ibex, are they still running? They used to, possibly still do bespoke off road vehicles. TheThunder Rolls🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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23rd Jan 2025 2:00pm |
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