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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Puma Engine Mount Problem Following Chassis Change
Hello,

I have a 2008 Defender.
I refitted the engine in 2016 after changing the clutch.
I refitted it again in 2019 after rebuilding the engine.
I had no problems with the engine mounts on either occasion.

I am currently fitting a new Richards chassis.
The front and rear suspension fitted well.
The body fitted the chassis too.
The only problem I had was with an exhaust hanger which was in the wrong place.
Richards provided a bolt on replacement and that worked well too.

I recently refitted the engine.
The left hand engine mount fitted well.
However the right hand mount does not fit.
It seems as if the mount on the chassis is about 1 cm too far forwards but when I measure the distance between the chassis mount and the front cross member it matches the old chassis perfectly.

The transmission mounts on the chassis are slotted and I have fitted the transmission as far forwards as possible.

Can anybody suggest what I might have done wrong?
If necessary I can provide a photo tomorrow once it is daylight.

I have not contacted Richards at this stage as I don't believe this problem has anything to do with them.
Post #1056954 10th Jan 2025 6:11pm
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htb2



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Not sure on the transit engine, but can you loosen the engine mounts on the block and get a bit of tolerance that way till it lines up
Post #1056959 10th Jan 2025 6:45pm
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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Tolerance
Yes, you can do that but as you tighten, everything is put under strain and I'm frightened something might break.
If the weather is good tomorrow I will take a photo to show how far out the holes are.
Post #1056965 10th Jan 2025 7:46pm
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andy63



Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
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It may be it just needs a little force applied to line the stud up..
I undid my rh engine mount nut to allow the engine to be jacked on that side to clear the dpf for removal..I'd taken the nut off and needless to say the mounting hole lifted clear of the stud.. not sure what had moved but the hole and stud didn't or wouldn't line up , so a heavy duty cable tie around the stud which is rubber mounted got it to enter the hole and the engine dropped back into place..
If its only 1cm it should be possible to get that..👍
Post #1056976 10th Jan 2025 8:36pm
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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
I pulled the engine mount on the block forwards using a small rope pulley.
Then I was able to fit the 2 bolts holding the mount to the chassis:


Click image to enlarge
It's possible that I would have had the same issue in 2016 and 2019 but on those occasions I fitted the bolts holding the engine mount in place before fitting and tightening the bell housing bolts so I did not notice there was a problem.
Post #1057114 12th Jan 2025 8:48am
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NickMc



Member Since: 01 Oct 2014
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Probably sold you a td5 chassis as the mounts look the same but just a slight difference in distance.
Post #1057298 13th Jan 2025 8:12pm
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InternationalDBA



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TD5?
This possibility has already been suggested by the garage which does my MOT tests and obtains parts for me.
If this had happened, would the distance between the front chassis cross member and the engine mounts still match the distance on the old chassis?
Post #1057302 13th Jan 2025 8:31pm
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Julie



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Re: Puma Engine Mount Problem Following Chassis Change
InternationalDBA wrote:
Hello,

I have a 2008 Defender.

I am currently fitting a new Richards chassis.
The front and rear suspension fitted well.
The body fitted the chassis too.
The only problem I had was with an exhaust hanger which was in the wrong place.
Richards provided a bolt on replacement and that worked well too.

The transmission mounts on the chassis are slotted and I have fitted the transmission as far forwards as possible.

Can anybody suggest what I might have done wrong?
If necessary I can provide a photo tomorrow once it is daylight.

I have not contacted Richards at this stage as I don't believe this problem has anything to do with them.


If the bolt holes on the chassis were not in the right positions, how could you be sure that the drivetrain matches (e.g. M 82 transmission spline misalignement issues) ? I'd claim for a chassis with perfectly matching fixation points.
Post #1057418 15th Jan 2025 6:47am
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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
I have compared the chassis mounts for the engine with the same mounts on the old chassis and the positions are the same. Also, the left hand mount fits perfectly. This is why I am puzzled.
Post #1057431 15th Jan 2025 9:19am
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Race.it



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is it twisted slightly, have you taken diagonal measurements from your old chassis vs the new one Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.

5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details
Post #1057435 15th Jan 2025 10:48am
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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
That's a possibility although measuring the new chassis now that the suspension, engine, gearbox, fuel tank and body are in place could be difficult.
I will see what I can do tomorrow when it is light outside.
Post #1057460 15th Jan 2025 4:33pm
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NickMc



Member Since: 01 Oct 2014
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Use a plumb Bob and mark the points on the ground then measure is the way around that problem.

Richards chassis aren’t the same shape (profile) as a genuine two piece chassis so be wary of comparing like for like measurements.
Post #1057472 15th Jan 2025 5:31pm
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InternationalDBA



Member Since: 18 Feb 2018
Location: West Sussex
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Plumb Bob
I like the idea of the plumb bob.
It should at least help me to diagnose the problem, even if I cannot fix it.
Post #1057516 16th Jan 2025 8:37am
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Linds Hanson



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Marsland chassis fits as per Genuine
Post #1057587 16th Jan 2025 8:10pm
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
I have fitted 5 Richards chassis over the years and they have always been spot on.

So the one you have the engine mounts measure the same from a drum as your old chassis if I understand the posts above? Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
Post #1057609 16th Jan 2025 9:36pm
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