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BobGFish



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Rest of World Specification Puma 2.2
Hello All

I've come across a "new" 110 Puma 2.2 Defender. Shocked It is however a "Rest of world" specification and only complies with Euro 2 standards! Would anybody perhaps know the technical differences between this and a Standard EU model? I would assume its missing EGR, DPF and possibly CAT. I would guess ECU is then modified to handle this. I would assume it would be possible to bring back to Euro5 if required for importing country? Also I would guess not much else technically different apart from this? Appreciate any insights. Many Thanks.
Post #1056769 9th Jan 2025 12:16pm
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Ianh



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I would have thought a ROW spec 2.2 Puma would have been EURO 4 compliant with an EGR and CAT but not a DPF. Being Euro 2 seems odd.

This post is well worth the long read as it covers a similar issue with a ROW spec vehicle in Europe.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic87767.html?highlight=euro+5

As for upgrading, yes you can fit an EGR ( inc wiring) and cooler if it’s not there. You can fit a DPF (inc differential pressure sensor plus pipes and wiring) if it’s not there. You can get a map to make it EURO 5 spec. However all that will cost a lot of money and you may still have issues registering it as a Euro 5 vehicle. If going the upgrade route why not go to Euro 6 as Euro 5 vehicles are incurring charges in an increasing number of cities.

In conclusion, unless the 2.2 is an amazing bargain it’s unlikely to be cost effective to convert.
Post #1056771 9th Jan 2025 12:41pm
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BobGFish



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Thanks for response. Car was destined for West Africa. Not seen it in person so cannot say what it does or does not have installed. Yeah, I suspect it may not be worth it either. It may be a case that I can leave it at Euro 2 and pay a fee for import country. Then just have to deal with the various City restrictions. Or maybe it is Euro4...Of course if cheap enough to convert then it could be an option. Just hard to know exact differences. LR page does reflect some were 100% EU2? https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.com/p...and-rover/

The car does not come with a COC to confirm and it has never been registered in any country.
Post #1056779 9th Jan 2025 1:55pm
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blackwolf



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I'm not sure that an EU2 TDCi Defender would be legal in this country.
Post #1056819 9th Jan 2025 6:00pm
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BobGFish



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100% not legal in UK or Europe. In my little corner of the world I'm still trying to find out. We have a tax based on C02 when imported. But the tax cost and technical regulations for being road legal are most likely different. So I can probably import it but then not sure if I can use it legally. If it comes in as EU2 and marked as such I think it will only have to hit EU2 levels. Even if its EU5 or EU6 the CO2 is the same!
Post #1056821 9th Jan 2025 6:09pm
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Will@LRW



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It might have a Cat in place of a DPF, as the 300Tdi became EU2 with the introduction of a Cat, EGR and fuel pump tweaks.

The VIN will show the true intent whether the 8th character is R (2.2 non EU5), T (2.4 EU2) or something else. I'm not aware of a letter to differentiate between EU2/4 for the 2.2.

If it was already registered in another country (i.e. "used") and over 10 years old, then it could be registered in the UK. There might be a route to then convert to a Swiss reg via some sort of mutual recognition scheme. LR Workshop
Find a Defender's history and spec: https://defender.lrworkshop.com
Post #1056926 10th Jan 2025 3:15pm
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BobGFish



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I've requested the VIN, lets see.
Its not looking hopeful at all.

The response from the Local Road Traffic office is below.

Since it's "new" and never registered it must comply with current rules. Still waiting on response for specialist import company.


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to be very difficult to impossible.

According to their description, it is a new car and must comply with the regulations currently in force (exhaust / emission behavior, crash behavior, pedestrian protection, assistance systems, etc.).
Post #1056933 10th Jan 2025 4:40pm
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TexasRover



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It would not be new, it would have a build date and probably a registration date in the country of origin, but being ROW spec will be a showstopper. The whole system is built around control and protection with everyone in cahoots manufacturers, regulators, importers

Not worth getting tied up in that.
Post #1056945 10th Jan 2025 5:50pm
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BobGFish



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Yeah, Tend to agree with you about not getting mixed up in it. Lets see. Never hurts to look. Does look like it will be near impossible. But for the right price everything is possible.

100% new and has circa 10km on the clock. Never registered. Build date 2012.
Post #1057010 11th Jan 2025 9:35am
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TexasRover



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In France you can get individual approvals (costly, cumbersome and risky), but if in Switzerland they don't respect the original manufacturing date you would have to meet all current emission and safety regulations, which even with enough money you would never ever pass. One challenge in France is that you first have to import and then if you cannot register it you either need to export or scrap the car.
Post #1057107 12th Jan 2025 6:29am
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BobGFish



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And this is the same in Switzerland. Have even found where to go. Waiting back on a couple of importers for opinions. Appeal is the low KM's and the fact that no EGR or DPF means it should be simple and a bit more reliable long term. But suspect risk is not worth it and there is also no warranty...
Post #1057132 12th Jan 2025 11:48am
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Caterham



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just a couple of thoughts;

possibly not got Pezo (?) injectors,

if it all goes wrong - suspect you could strip and get your money back that way? Thumbs Up
Post #1057136 12th Jan 2025 12:05pm
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ickle



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If its new and unregistered can it be imported as a collection of parts and then used to rebuild a written off existing vehicle?

Daft as it sounds the opportunity to build one properly with all rust proofing, sound deadening and little touches that would make long term ownership a bit more 21st century would be a nice project!
Post #1057140 12th Jan 2025 12:17pm
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Julie



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Re: Rest of World Specification Puma 2.2
BobGFish wrote:
Hello All

I've come across a "new" 110 Puma 2.2 Defender. Shocked It is however a "Rest of world" specification and only complies with Euro 2 standards! Would anybody perhaps know the technical differences between this and a Standard EU model? I would assume its missing EGR, DPF and possibly CAT. I would guess ECU is then modified to handle this. I would assume it would be possible to bring back to Euro5 if required for importing country? Also I would guess not much else technically different apart from this? Appreciate any insights. Many Thanks.


Hi there, JLR sold the 2.2 ROW spec in MY2012 and MY2013 which is indeed EURO2. From MY2014 onwards only EURO4 and EURO5 spec available.

Engine with EGR but no DPF and no CAT
Post #1057419 15th Jan 2025 7:01am
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Julie



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BobGFish wrote:
And this is the same in Switzerland. Have even found where to go. Waiting back on a couple of importers for opinions. Appeal is the low KM's and the fact that no EGR or DPF means it should be simple and a bit more reliable long term. But suspect risk is not worth it and there is also no warranty...


It's still a Ford Duratorq Puma 2.2 engine with ECU, EGR and electronic sensors
Post #1057422 15th Jan 2025 7:15am
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