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ardevd



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Diffs locking while cornering
I’m trying to up my 4x4 knowledge and I noticed recently that the Defender occasionally seems to locks diffs also while doing low speed cornering, which I presumed was generally considered a bad idea. I tried to dig into some documentation and I’m wondering if my understanding is correct.

The center and rear differentials in the Defender, and other modern LRs I presume, are electronically controlled multi-plate clutches. The system can engage anywhere from almost fully open to fully locked, or any fraction in between. So when the 4x4 screen shows the diffs being locked, it could be partially locked or quickly modulating lock-up to prevent slip—even if it’s only for an instant or at a low torque level. Why it’s doing so while cornering on regular roads I don’t know but it could be that it may begin to “pre-lock” the diff to cut down on reaction time and maintain traction as a precaution?

Would love to get some input from others here more knowledgeable.
Post #1056331 4th Jan 2025 9:53pm
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eno



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I guess the amount of lock depends on the Driving mode as well as the conditions. But mine seems to show the locking in 1/3rd increments on the graphic. Here is the rear showing 2/3rds locking and the centre showing 1/3rd.

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Post #1056358 5th Jan 2025 12:07pm
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ardevd



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Ah, neat. I didn't notice the progress bars before and only looked at the padlock icon. Makes sense.
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eno



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If you look at the rings on the axle images you can see the inner rings are yellow colour. That yellow rings seem to be an indication of axle torque but I haven't seen a description of that. If you are driving and the centre is unlocked only the rear rings show yellow. The number of yellow rings changes with load
Post #1056361 5th Jan 2025 12:18pm
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Mrburt



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Ardevd,
You are indeed correct ref the diffs preloading. The vehicle takes data from a myriad of sensors from air temperature, wheel, pitch, roll, yaw to name but a few. Add in the particular terrain response setting and you can have diffs preloading at any point in response to the data and this process can change many times a second if needed. Rock crawl will have the diffs locked much earlier than for example mud ruts which will allow some amount of slip.
Look at diff locks as a proactive response to changing conditions and traction control as a reactive response.
A good example for me this week is traveling in snowy conditions in TR - grass, gravel, snow.
Stationary at a junction, on a 5 degree slope with temperature at zero intending to turn right.
Both diffs showing fully locked, however as I made the right turn the vehicle recognised I was able to move off and turn and the rear just opened slightly to assist. Center remained locked as a 50/50 split front/rear was maximising traction opportunities.
Making turns while moving with the center diff locked does not cause issues, but turning with a fully locked rear diff can cause wear over time but this is likely to occur infrequently and the vehicle would not adopt this position at high speed. Now front locking diffs are a different matter but LR do not fit these to their current range.
The yellow rings on each drive shaft show the amount of torque proportioned to each wheel. Be mindful that the off road displays can be a bit laggy and the display in the centre of the instrument display is usually more accurate that the one on the pivi big screen.
Apologies for the long response, hope this helps and please shout up if you need more.
Post #1056506 6th Jan 2025 10:18pm
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Fifth Horseman



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Mrbert wrote:
Making turns while moving with the center diff locked does not cause issues,


That blanket statement applies only in the context of driving on a reduced traction surface. If done on a surface with good traction it certainly does cause issues, namely transmission wind-up due to the front and rear wheels following slightly different paths, just ask any competent driver of a vehicle equipped with a manually lockable centre diff.
Rear diff if locked in a turn on low traction surfaces will actually reduce traction due to wheel slip caused by both wheels being forced to rotate at the same speed.

The electronic transmission controls on the L663 should lock (either partially or fully) either diff to give optimum traction in the prevailing conditions. In extreme conditions of wheel slip the ABS system will also come into play.
Post #1056508 6th Jan 2025 10:44pm
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