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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695  
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Seems the automotive supply industry is still contracting. This news item about Valeo. Or maybe with EV's a lot of parts normally used are just not needed.
Pressure mounts: Valeo cuts 1,100 jobs amid auto industry shift https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/jaguar...&ei=10 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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29th Nov 2024 7:16pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2825 
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l believe production has re started, which is good news for lneos.
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3rd Dec 2024 7:49pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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For a small, new start up company that is indeed good news. Bigger players have had to scale back and recalibrate their operations. I would like to see the model succeed. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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3rd Dec 2024 8:09pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5183
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Yeah where i work is gearing up for their orders again, and i recon there will be some big orders too. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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3rd Dec 2024 9:43pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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Yeah, companies such as yours are a true barometer as to the state of the auto industries. If components are not ordered no cars are made. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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3rd Dec 2024 9:57pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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Article here about Recaro being rescued by an Italian company
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/reca...&ei=14 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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5th Dec 2024 4:07pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 496  
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They're supposed to restart production in 2025
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/busines...onth-pause My best wishes to INEOS who sold just a few hundred units in 2024 - and a significant drop with respect to 2023 ... Seems like "true" off road vehicles became a niche market |
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8th Dec 2024 1:08pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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I think it is uncertainty about future car ownership is playing a part too. I still have my 200tdi which I bought in 1996. Today I do not think people think about owning a car for that length of time.
Prospective owners will be wondering how long the will be able to drive a vehicle with a petrol/diesel engine. The Green ideology wants all of those petrol/diesel powered vehicles off the road. Nobody knows what taxes will be placed on petrol/diesel powered vehicles to "encourage" owners to change to the latest perceived "environmentally friendly" option. Anyone buying an EV would not want a lithium mine close to them but it is O.K. if it is placed in another country. The Grenadier was a brave step and would be my car of choice (despite the automatic gearbox) if I needed to change and could afford it. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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8th Dec 2024 1:31pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3507 
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I think I agree with everything you said there Spudfan.
I think the Grenadier’s issue is its limited appeal to the mainstream public and the bizarre decision to not even provide this vehicle as a hybrid on launch baffles me. The world was changing fast (whether anyone likes it or not) when the Grenadier was launched and the design wasnt ready from the start. But then neither was JLR ready or many other mainstream car manufacturers who all appear to have been caught with their electric vehicle trousers around their corporate ankles. I am an electrician. I remember the uproar when they deleted the 100 watt incandescent lamp and then all Incandescent lamps. This year saw the demise of the fluorescent tube. I knew people who panic bought these lamps. I know people who still ask me where I can get halogen lights for down lighters on the ‘nudge nudge wink wink’ quiet. I can’t. Even EBay is getting short of supply. What I am getting at is when legislation changes, and it will for vehicles at some point, there will be no choice and vehicle manufacturers who haven’t embrassed these changes will just fail - miserably. We will be taxed in some form to stop us using IC vehicles that there is no doubt. Fuel filling stations will just close or be made into EV charging points. Do I believe electric is the answer - good God no! Do I think they are environmentally friendly - hardly! Will any of this change international views on the IC engine, nope. It’s true electric vehicles are more pleasant to the environment in built up areas as they do not cause pollution at the user level. This is the same ignorance as governments a few years ago telling us all to go buy diesels because they were better for the environment 
I would love a Grenadier, I would like to seee it succed, I just don’t think you can design and make a profitable mainstream car from a blinkered idea you dreamed up down the pub. Even if you are a billionaire. |
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8th Dec 2024 2:57pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 496
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I saw that they don't offer too much space inside.
G wagon or Toyota is better. And pricing is similar. When it comes to overlanding (I'm in the Sahara), I 've never come across any Granadier. I think people in Africa or Asia do not know Ineos but Land Rover, Toyota and Isuzu But Ineos promise an electric version by 2028 ... |
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8th Dec 2024 3:25pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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"But Ineos promise an electric version by 2028 ..."
Might not see too many of them in the Sahara.... 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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8th Dec 2024 6:31pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3507
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I can’t understand why a ‘new’ design like the Grenadier didn’t have the electric version in mind when it was in development.
2028 date to me feels like they are having to go back to the drawing board and try and make it a EV. Not sure if they had laid their money down on hydrogen? JCB have gone down this road. I believe this will be the way trucking goes as I just can’t see how in the present regulations, battery powered trucks will become mainstream. Saying that, I think the mainstream big 4-5 truck manufacturers have embraced electric albeit mostly on rigid trucks at present. It’s similar to the canals when engines were first fitted to Canal Boats. They had the same issue that the engine took up precious cargo space meaning the boats pulled an unpowered butty boat to increase their payload. |
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8th Dec 2024 6:53pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4695
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It’s similar to the canals when engines were first fitted to Canal Boats. They had the same issue that the engine took up precious cargo space meaning the boats pulled an unpowered butty boat to increase their payload.
You learn something new everyday 
Can just picture a GRENADIER towing a trailer with it's battery pack. Don't know if it design friendly to put batteries in it. Like you say was probably not envisioned at the design stage. Just like my Mrs was not designed as a "supermodel." Trying to re engineer her to be one would be pretty well cost prohibitive. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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8th Dec 2024 7:00pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 496
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You may even pull a trailer with an electric generator as range extender
If the truck pulling is 100% electric véhicule you'll be a zero emission vehicle (as per legislation)  |
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9th Dec 2024 6:58pm |
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