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Barneyboy



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Totally off topic, kitchen advice please
Hi, I hope you don’t mind me asking but please can anyone advise me on what to do regarding fitting an extractor fan in our kitchen, or any other ideas how I can successfully clear cooking smells and steam, we have in the last 10 weeks moved into a 300 year old cottage and we are having a new kitchen and an electric range fitted where we have removed the very old 1930’s aga ( that was hard work ) had the flue swept but it’s going to be very tight to fit a extractor fan up in the chimney breast, it’s a small kitchen and I’m really stuck with ideas as the extractor hoods are bigger than the chimney breast which is width 900 depth 300 , any advice please would be gratefully received cheers Paul



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landy andy



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Rather than fit a kitchen extractor hood. Fit a chimney fan that goes on the top of the chimney pot on the roof. Have it wired to a switch by the cooker, and that switch can also operate lights in the recess over the cooker.
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landy andy wrote:
Rather than fit a kitchen extractor hood. Fit a chimney fan that goes on the top of the chimney pot on the roof. Have it wired to a switch by the cooker, and that switch can also operate lights in the recess over the cooker.


This. Assuming that it’s not going to cost you thousands to scaffold up to your chimney.

You might actually find that in a house that age there is a natural draw up the chimney anyway and you may find you don’t need to do anything. Get hold of a couple of smoke pellets from your local diy store and give it test before you spend any cash.
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ickle



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I'd be very tempted to incorporate a universal type grease filter and also line the chimney with an insulated duct to help reduce condensation.

Its incredible how much grease accumulates in a kitchen duct filtered or not, mix this with the inevitable 250 years of soot in the cracks and crevices and you've a nice source of fuel for a fire.

HTH Keith
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^^this..! The aga would have been putting soot not grease up the chimney, you must line or filter before exhausting up an old chimney… if the draw is good you could fit a decent charcoal replaceable filter in the chimney recess.
The only other option is a downdraught filter which pulls fumes down, but you’d need to fit that behind the new range which would mean ingress into the kitchen.
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Anything you do will need a liner, unless you can go through the back wall and out which I assume isn’t an option.

I wouldn’t use a charcoal filter unless just recirculating the air, if extracting it then I would just use replaceable extractor filter sheets above the cooker.
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You’ll potentially have condensation from the warm moist extracted air running back down the chimney flue and causing issues.
An insulated liner & condensation trap is an option, but personally I would insulate and block the chimney and put a through-wall extractor on the external wall.
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Barneyboy



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Hi, thank you all for all of your comments Thumbs Up I never even realised a chimney extractor existed so that is an option, the flue/liner has been swept in the last couple of days Thumbs Up the walls are quite thick but could possibly be an option so as to fit a through wall extractor Thumbs Up please keep the ideas coming Thumbs Up cheers Paul
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It's unclear currently if your existing stack is lined or not.

If it's not got a metal flue up there, I'd be right dubious of pumping greasy air up there.

If it has a metal liner, I can't see a whole load of issue with using it as an extractor outlet. Sure there would be some distillate at the cold end, as there would be on initial lighting in it's intended application, however, assuming the liner warmed from the airflow, this would then dry.

Depending on the cowel fitted, water ingress from above may be more of a concern.
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Barneyboy



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Hi Julian, it’s got a metal flue liner currently fitted and the stack is pictured below Thumbs Up


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julian



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Haha... Classic.

That square plate... That's for when there is no clay pot!

They evidently had the wrong kit and just thought "it'll do"

(which, in fairness, it does, but it's not as it should be)


Anyway, if its got the liner, I would go back to my prior comment - it would be fine to use that pipe as a vent.
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Barneyboy



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Thumbs Up I thought that plate was a strange addition, that’s great to know, thank you Thumbs Up cheers Paul
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We have a very similar setup with our range. We couldn't vent through the chimney as it's already used by the boiler in the room behind.
Solution was to mount the extractor on the front of the chimney breast and have the ducting run along the ceiling and out an external wall. Bosch do a range of extractors that are very flat. Often mistaken for a TV.
https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/product-list/...x=manuals/
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Barneyboy



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Thumbs Up Thank you all for your suggestions, it’s very much appreciated Thumbs Up cheers Paul
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