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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Bramhall Posts: 1097  
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I was towing the caravan yesterday and noticed that the speed limit notification in the speedometer showed 60 mph when on dual carriageway and motorway. This is of course correct for a car towing a trailer.
I seem to recall that the speed limiter didn’t used to recognise the fact a trailer was hitched up. Am I imagining this or has it always been like this? 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy 1968 S2a 88 aka Bob 2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged. |
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28th Jun 2024 9:20am |
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| jomara Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 1790  
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The speed limits for Defenders are the same as cars on dual carriageways and motorways as they're classed as car derived vans. 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
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28th Jun 2024 12:42pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353  
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No they are not, they CANNOT be car-derived vans, they don't even begin to meet the requirements to be Car-Derived Vans. Inter alia to be a CDV a vehicle must have a gross laden weight not exceeding 2000kg, and a new Defender is more than that unladen. Classic Defenders are subject (almost without exception) to car speed limits by virtue of the fact that they are Dual Purpose Vehicles. One of the essential requirements of a DPV is that its unladen weight does not exceed 2040kg. The new Defender has a much greater unladen weight (Landrover quotes 2,316kg for a 90, although I am not sure if this is a commercial-spec version and it includes a 75kg driver) than the old, and, unless the commercial spec comes in at 2040kg or less unladen, it is not a Dual Purpose Vehicle and therefore is subject to light commercial speed limits. it is unlikely that a commercial spec ND is 1/3rd of a tonne lighter than a non-commercial version. This is a subject which has been done to death on this forum over the years and it is a shame that the Internet is still alive with people mistakenly peddling completely false and misleading information when it is so easy to establish the facts. |
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28th Jun 2024 1:35pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2734
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The whole van/car derived van thing is a nightmare, don't even get started on VW campervans, the discussion went on for years.
But yes, the Defender Commercial is subject to commercial vehicle speed limits. The old Defenders were all "Commercial" after 2011 but as above, they are classed as dual purpose so while they are "Commercial" with DVLA they aren't with HMRC |
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28th Jun 2024 3:35pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353
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It really isn't, but it is made unnecessarily confusing by the fact that people who appear to have zero grasp of the situation will keep making misleading statements on the Internet in a pseudo-authoritative manner, thereby creating and perpetuating confusion! 
Which, whilst not strictly incorrect, is a misleading statement because neither the DVLA nor HMRC has anything to do with speed limits, and of course the DVLA is simply a recorder of information and makes (and can make) no decisions about these things. There are also some pre-2016 Defenders which are Type Approved as N1 under the EWVTA Regs but which are not DPVs, but these are relatively thin on the ground. |
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28th Jun 2024 4:58pm |
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| Clemmo Member Since: 03 Aug 2012 Location: Mile Oak Posts: 1217 
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A software update some 12mnths ago corrected the speed limit shown in a commercial Defender.
It is now correct to the law and frequently shows 60 where a non Van can do 70 Clemmo  Make today a little better than yesterday but not so good as tomorrow....
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28th Jun 2024 9:24pm |
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