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Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 807 |
Yes, yes and yes and I found and still do fine them to be an awful thing to drive, own and look at! All vehicles are going to be compared against something regardless but the G-Class is not the benchmark IMHO and never will be Having said that I can not agree with your last sentence as surely the things you mention, high centre of gravity, constantly fighting physics, weight etc are all characteristics of a Range (I presume a Range Rover or do you mean a Ford?)? Gas, Grass Or Ass - Nobody Rides For Free "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car. "OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car. "HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence. "TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you. |
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29th Apr 2024 11:56am |
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Griff90bowler Member Since: 24 Feb 2021 Location: Cowbridge Posts: 128 |
all booked in for the 13th should be interesting
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29th Apr 2024 2:12pm |
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JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905 |
I think he means fuel tank 'range'
I think the Octa looks awesome! It might make no sense but that's why I'd love one. So, thank you to those who will be going to the launch, please do keep us informed James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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29th Apr 2024 2:13pm |
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Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 807 |
Ahh, sorry my bad - thought he was on about a Range Rover lol.
Having said that the current V8 will do over 300 miles on a tank of fuel and a good few more if driven reasonably Gas, Grass Or Ass - Nobody Rides For Free "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car. "OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car. "HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence. "TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you. |
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29th Apr 2024 2:46pm |
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Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037 |
A 2019 and newer? If so, genuinely interested to hear how it was an "awful thing to drive (and) own"... looks are personal, so I get that part. And, if you don't believe the G63 is the benchmark, as Chris seemed to suggest, for the Octa, what do you see it as? And yes, in that sentence, I was talking about range. On long runs, specifically in Germany and, to a lesser degree, France, I got tired of stopping every 250 miles to refuel. |
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29th Apr 2024 3:37pm |
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Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 807 |
Mr Fox, it was a 21 AMG and every time I drove it I got “look at that prick” looks or felt like someone’s pimp and so much so I hated going out in it.
The storage/space was very poor and the harsh ride was awful, not to mention the pi** poor MPG, not that I bought it for that All in all, it was a disappointing disaster and one I won’t forget. As for the benchmark, why is the G-Wagon the benchmark for the best off road vehicle LR have ever made (IMHO) and not the other way around? Suppose if you use it as a Chelsea Tractor then maybe the G-Wagon might have the edge but if you actually venture off road the Defender wins hands down Gas, Grass Or Ass - Nobody Rides For Free "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car. "OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car. "HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence. "TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you. |
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29th Apr 2024 4:26pm |
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Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037 |
I can't comment on the 21< G63 but my feelings about the pre-19 G63 aren't totally dissimilar to yours. I grew to dislike the image, in no small part thanks to people like the Kardashians, but it was the ride, tank range and overall combination that finally put the nail in it for me. IMHO, the diesel Gs, specifically the 2019+ G350d is a much better vehicle and is not only hugely capable but also fast enough in terms of real world use. Lastly, my question wasn't about the G-wagon being a benchmark, it was what do you consider the benchmark or competition for the Octa? |
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29th Apr 2024 5:28pm |
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Cometboy Member Since: 09 Apr 2024 Location: New York Posts: 6 |
Went to the invite only launch event last night in NYC…
I am impressed… Order placed… Cheers Roger -------------------- 23.5MY Defender 110 v8 Carpathian w/ mods |
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20th May 2024 2:22am |
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Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 807 |
I went on the 10th and order cancelled Gas, Grass Or Ass - Nobody Rides For Free
"UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car. "OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car. "HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence. "TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you. |
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20th May 2024 8:36am |
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Cometboy Member Since: 09 Apr 2024 Location: New York Posts: 6 |
I was very specific on the option I wanted… and if they get it wrong then I will be cancelling too… Cheers Roger
-------------------- 23.5MY Defender 110 v8 Carpathian w/ mods |
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20th May 2024 11:27am |
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Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 807 |
I too was very specific but think the Octa just meant to fit the footballers wives and very impressionable people - the seat sound system is a gimmick (I’m 62 years old and am not trying to impress or blow the knickers of a young lady), as is the carbon fibre, as is the “depending on wheels/tyres” determines how restrictive LR allow the car to be etc etc.
Supposedly the best off roader LR have ever built and it’s 6.5cm wider than the current Defender which is in reality too wide anyway, the extra 10cm of lift is not worth it and the 20” wheels restrict the car to 99mph Not impressed with the launch at all (promotion staff were clearly from an agency) and I left a message asking for my deposit back to get an email saying the money would be returned within 10 working days but other than that no contact from LR asking me why or for feedback - pi** poor show Gas, Grass Or Ass - Nobody Rides For Free "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car. "OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car. "HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence. "TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you. |
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20th May 2024 11:54am |
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Cometboy Member Since: 09 Apr 2024 Location: New York Posts: 6 |
Can’t disagree, logic is spot on..
I already have a v8 with the wheel/tyre dimensions of E1 OCTA, you can see the difference. I’ll post a pic at the bottom. Look, will it fit well in a Chelsea or Old Trafford parking lot, sure… But I was already in the market for a second v8 so this fitted the bill for me… This is me dropping of at the dealer this morning for pre Defender Experience check for next weekend. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Cheers Roger -------------------- 23.5MY Defender 110 v8 Carpathian w/ mods |
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20th May 2024 12:26pm |
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Chris86 Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: South Yorks Posts: 788 |
I’m sceptical of that, I haven’t driven a new defender properly off road yet- only on moderate stuff, but have spent a lot of time off road in Disco 5 which obviously shares a lot with defender. I have to say, my impression of new defender was underwhelming, particularly the year old one I drove, admittedly it was on coils but I thought didn’t ride particularly well on the rocky tracks and concrete roads we were on and also the interior already looked like it was aging poorly and had a few squeaks and rattles. By contrast, there were a couple of G-400d g classes we had at work that were approaching 18 months old, which had done several thousand miles round an off road course having barely touched tarmac that still felt like new, with no creaks and rattles………THAT is a benchmark. I have regularly used W463 g class and new W463a G class off road 350/400d and on occasion a G63, it would certainly walk all over a Disco 5 (with off road/capability pack whatever it’s branded as now) before you even start using the 3 diff locks. I would agree that the G63 is probably my least favourite, it’s 15mm lower, has lower profile tyres and doesn’t feel as nice as a 400d. The diesel suits it better and has masses of torque. I’m not a massive fan of the celebrity image, but go beyond that it’s an awesome piece of engineering that manages to combine iconic looks with build quality most marques can only aspire to. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the Octa will be fine and I’m sure the defender fans will go mad for it, but I’d have an exceptionally hard time choosing one over a g. Also, bear in mind……the ‘ultimate’ incarnation of the G comes on portal axles……so a Defender being comparable in capability are probably unrealistic if we are going to compare the ‘halo’ models directly. Chris |
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20th May 2024 5:00pm |
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Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1365 |
My take is LR just wants a slice of the pimps market from the G-Wagon, Kahn and Urban.
They'll be initial interest from the Middle East, footballers and county lines drug dealers, but at the end of the day its still just a blinged up Defender with a big engine that will go the way of other 'special' editions. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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20th May 2024 6:18pm |
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