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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue
Budget Price to replace clutch?
Noticed that the Clutch started rattling today. 65k 2013 so possibly a bit early, but it’s a landy!? Was thinking of ordering a LOF set up, but don’t have the time or gear to install myself. What should I be expecting to pay? For those that have LOF, what is it like compared to a standard replacement and should it last longer? I don’t tow and it’s a 90 HT.

Is there anything else I should be doing whilst the clutch being swapped?

Cheers
Col
Post #801628 10th Nov 2019 3:37pm
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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue
Just done TV the maths and the LOF version is 3x the price of the standard replacement. Assuming each subsequent LR clutch lasts 65k and given my annual mileage, the LOF version will have to last 20 years to pay itself back. Minus labour for the 2 expected LR clutches in between. Tough to justify.
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Mike_E



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Have to add in at least a full days labour as well if paying someone to do it.

I swapped over just to get rid of the clunking and upgraded just to put the issue to bed. Cost is one thing... hassle of doing it again is another.

For me clutch feels like standard to use. More nvh between 1500 and 1800rpm... get a bit of vibration which makes the rear mirror wobble a bit in lower gears but the original clutch springs were totally stuffed so could have happened with a new standard one?

Mike
Post #801720 11th Nov 2019 5:47am
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Co1



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Thanks Mike. Interestingly the rattle disappeared this morning, sounds as smooth as you like!
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blackwolf



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Re: Budget Price to replace clutch?
Co1 wrote:
... 65k 2013 so possibly a bit early ...


My 2007 Puma was on its third clutch by the time it reached 65k miles! Rolling with laughter The early ones really were that bad, they have improved considerably.

It is now at just over 240k miles and needs another new one, which will be number 6, although number 5 has lasted just over 90k sofar (which is about the minimum I would expect from a modern non-DMF clutch). This time round I have opted fo a Transit 4x4 clutch, since these are reckoned by many to be significantly better than event the latest stock Defender clutches.

If you are changing the clutch, the most important other part to check is the outout adaptor shaft coupling (between the MT82 and LT230) which is notorious for failing. At the very least, inspect and lubricate it.
Post #801742 11th Nov 2019 10:47am
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JOW240725



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My 2012 2.2Tdci was on it's 3rd clutch at 30k! However, the 3rd clutch installed at 30k is still going strong at 71k.

I agree with above to check the output shaft. James
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Post #801767 11th Nov 2019 1:17pm
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Co1



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Bizarrely, all was quiet and smooth this morning!! Guess I’ll just keep an eye on it!
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deaallen



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I had mine replaced 3 weeks ago with an LOF clutch as all the springs in my stock one were loose @40k miles.

I had already bought the clutch from a show and so was charged £620 labour which was the cheapest I could find locally. That was with safari engineering.

Keith Gotts near me was quoting double that at £1,200 for just the labour Shocked - They also wanted to charge extra to replace the output shaft on top of that! Safari engineering included fitting the output in with the price of the clutch change.
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Def90



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Hi blackwolf

Are there any issue with using the Transit 4 X 4 clutch set up in a Puma Defender, considering the Transit has a DMF.
Post #802131 13th Nov 2019 7:44pm
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blackwolf



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The 4x2 transit has a DMF, but the 4x4 Transit does not, and the 4x4 Transit clutch is a direct swap for the Puma one.

See https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic34603.html for more info and pictures.
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Def90



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Hi blackwolf

Thank you for you reply and the clarification.

Looks like I will be ordering a SACHS 3000 950 727 clutch kit then as a replacement!
Post #802215 14th Nov 2019 10:37am
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keith



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Did you for this clutch? SACHS 3000 950 727 clutch kit
Post #1034000 6th May 2024 8:04pm
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custom90



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I have the Transit clutch, I like it. Bear in mind it might take a little while to arrive depending on where you get it or if you want express delivery.
LUK spigot bearing, which is OEM.

If you have a 2.4 you can use the 2.2 Slave cylinder and bleed valve and acclimated parts, as this can be retrofitted no problem at all.
Bear in mind the advice Blackwolf mentioned regards the output shaft, as it is VERY good advice worth heeding so I’d strongly recommend following that advice.

Flywheels seem to usually be trouble free generally unless damaged but isn’t really that common, output shafts are more likely to need replacing, but they usually go for quite a lot of clutches.
Master cylinders rarely need replacing, they have a long life I kept mine for over 12 years or more until I replaced it.
Post #1034004 6th May 2024 8:39pm
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Def90



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Yes I did fit the Transit SACHS 3000 950 727 clutch kit but only about six months ago.
Only done just over 2k miles and very happy with the result would recommend.
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Jamie1992



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If it’s just the rattle then I wouldn’t worry too much. Mine did it for years most noticeable when stood in traffic but would stop when the clutch pedal was pressed. I’ve found they all rattle even after having the clutch replaced it doesn’t take them long to start or didn’t used too.
Post #1034026 6th May 2024 10:45pm
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