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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2749  
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He also really liked the Defender 130 that he had on test.
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9th Feb 2024 1:15pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3671 
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I saw that. Very interesting and it’s the same reason I stuck with diesel. I also don’t buy the carbon footprint piece. There aren’t zero emissions to gas fired electricity, or battery manufacture so I don’t think it’s as big an environmental benefit as we’re lead to believe.
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9th Feb 2024 1:51pm |
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| jsinclair Member Since: 11 Aug 2020 Location: Brisbane Posts: 46 
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It's a great video that I'm sure will upset a lot of people that are overly enthusiastic about a particular drivetrain type...
Accurately described our recent buying experience/decision process. EVs seemed extremely unattractive for us all things considered and a diesel Defender was a pretty simple choice. Great motor that suits the vehicle. |
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12th Feb 2024 1:01am |
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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 808  
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He stated the PCP cost difference between an EV vs Diesel and that was staggering
 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS. |
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12th Feb 2024 6:43am |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3671
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I spotted that. Makes sense as the depreciation is huge, so they need to cover that cost somewhere.
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12th Feb 2024 1:02pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1041  
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Yeah watched it, very informative.
Interesting how when I look at Petrol/Diesel cars I can choose from simple but nice family cars (VW, BMW, etc) in all sorts of levels of refinements, but when I look for EVs I only find very complicated cars with lots of power like Harry also concluded. It is as if the manufactures collectively decided that the EV had to be whole different sort of thing - and obviously much more expensive. But I just want the same car but Electric. I don't want a big screen or subscriptions or self driving features. I just feel they don't make many electric cars that I like. So for that reason I am out. |
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12th Feb 2024 1:50pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 661
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I'm sure Harry buys his cars...... plus the car insurance was somewhat misleading. For me to insure Harry's car was £1962 / a Taycon was £900 ish. However I agree on the spiraling power issue with EVs. Because you can doesn't mean you should. |
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12th Feb 2024 2:03pm |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1359 
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Very happy with my Dinosaur juice powered D250.
 Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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12th Feb 2024 4:59pm |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
I am intrigued to see how the next 10 years transpire. It feels a little bit like we've started on down the EV rabbit hole and thre's no turning back, even if it was the wrong hole.
I don't have a driveway, like 1/3rd of the country. So if I were to move to an EV, I'd be reliant on the utter disaster which is the public charging wild west. From ZapMaps Jan 2024 weighted avg. public charging figures; rapid charging an "average efficiency EV" will cost me approximately 24p per mile. The D250 does easily 550miles on an 89litre tank at 149p a litre = 24p per mile... But then trying to find a 7 seat 4x4 is a challenge... I found a KIA for £10-15k more than my basic 110. Or the Merc EQS & Volvo EX90 for £50k more.. Factor in the filthy battery production, and the poor uptake of renewables to produce electricity to power my 'zero emissions' vehicle, everything seems to suggest its really not the silver bullet the public have been sold on. |
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12th Feb 2024 5:15pm |
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| oop north Member Since: 23 Mar 2016 Location: Preston-ish Posts: 59
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No. Just no (in this case anyway). It doesn’t take long to play with the RRS configurator to compare the phev (not EV - there is no full EV Range Rover sport available yet) and the diesel. The list price on the phev is £9k more with £3kW of that being from the base SE not being available with phev, you have to get the silly SE dynamic for that engine to become available. But the final optional payment is also £9k more. So pretty much identical depreciation - the real difference (and with standard deposit as offered in the configurator) is that Land Rover want you to pay 9.9% apr on the phev but only 5.9% on the diesel. Oops nearly forgot there is a £5k deposit contribution on the diesel so there is a £14k difference up front so there is £5k more depreciation on the phev but that reflects the deposit contribution on the diesel I am still quite cross with Land rover for not making an EV - had to get a bmw iX (used so someone else suffered a slug of depreciation) to replace my ipace which has over 500 silky bhp and a range of around 500 miles. Filing up a home costs me (after tax ) a maximum of about 6pm per mile unless the energy comes from my wind turbine or solar panels |
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12th Feb 2024 6:41pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3671
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^^^ Never twigged the difference on finance. How on earth do they justify that? The APR is surely just the cost of financing the loan, or is a loan on an EV somehow riskier?
Whichever way you look at it, and including the cost per mile mentioned by XplusYplusZ, there is no real financial justification to EVs of this size, and the jury is out for me on the green credentials. |
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12th Feb 2024 7:04pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 661
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When an item doesn't meet market targets than incentives need to be offered. Deposit contribution / 0% interest / low rate interest..... etc. |
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12th Feb 2024 11:54pm |
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| nobbyclark Member Since: 19 Jan 2011 Location: Cumbria Posts: 51 
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I saw it too and it piqued my interest in PCP deals, which I've previously avoided. There are some amazing deals to be had on new Defenders and despite myself, I'm going to the local dealer on Saturday to thrash out some numbers. Will hopefully be posting in the "Orders" thread very soon.
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13th Feb 2024 4:46pm |
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