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| CDN38 Member Since: 14 Nov 2014 Location: Courtenay, BC Posts: 729   
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My 2000 TD5 is approaching its 25 year anniversary this coming August (build date was 1999) and it will then be admissible to export to the USA. Im thinking of selling it south of the border, and looking for a 2009 130 which would be admissible to Canada. I'm well versed in Defender ownership, after 11 years with a NAS 90 and 10 years with my 110, so I'm familiar with many of the ...ahem.. "issues of ownership".
However, the jump into a Puma is only a somewhat familiar realm... what are some of the things to be on the lookout for with an MY2009? And specifically a 130? The obvious is looking for signs of commercial use, but beyond that? I'm looking for a LHD anywhere in Europe, and have no issue traveling across the globe once a good candidate is found in order to "kick the tires". Any pointers on specific issues? it's a Landrover thing... my renovation thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40792.html |
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24th Jan 2024 4:00am |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2029 
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An issue that can impact any Puma is output shaft failure. It’s due to misalignment between gearbox and transfer box. Some Puma’s are affected badly, some hardly at al. Trouble is you can’t visually inspect it without transfer box removal. On a positive note their are 3 different aftermarket solutions to address the issue.
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62521...tput+shaft Clutch issues, the early Puma’s had issues with weak clutches, springs falling out and jamming clutch. However by now on a 2009 I would have expected the clutch to have been replaced with the latter LR clutch, transit 4x4 clutch, LOF clutch etc. VCV failure is a known issue for 2.4, replacing with a known bonafide genuine Denso one is the solution and not expensive, however getting a truly genuine one can be hard. If planning to be driving hard ( off-road , heavily loaded etc ) I would also check out the front diff which is also a weak point, an upgrade to an ATB would be advantageous. Edit- added link to topic on the front diff https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic79126.html?highlight=4+pin Hopefully the history of any vehicle you are looking at will help identify if any of these issues have come up and been addressed. Last edited by Ianh on 24th Jan 2024 1:39pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Jan 2024 11:45am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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Front diff, output adaptor shaft, avoid MIG welded axle cases.(2009 will be ok if the axle is original), check for vac pump oil leaks, check for upgraded sump, check for engine harness chafing. Most other issues are routine or service items.
2009 could still be in the PCJ hysteresis problem era but if the engines not seized yet it should be ok. |
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24th Jan 2024 4:20pm |
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| NickMc Member Since: 01 Oct 2014 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1628  
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Keep the Td5 I work on Defenders and the pumas are hateful things and nowhere near as good as the td5 in my opinion, just don’t tell anyone one here
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25th Jan 2024 12:16am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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Buy the Puma I work on Defenders and the TD5s are hateful things and nowhere near as good as the Puma in my opinion, just don’t tell anyone one here
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25th Jan 2024 8:56am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5724 
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As above. Try a Tdci before you buy. They aren’t like a Td5. I wish I hadn’t bothered getting one, only to return to the superior Td5.
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25th Jan 2024 8:57am |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 545  
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Not all of them though, service bulletin SSM38792 states this is fixed on vehicles post VIN 9A767162. For example, my MY09 built on Nov. 11th 2008 is past that range. “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique. -- 2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW 1979 Land Rover Series 3 88" |
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25th Jan 2024 9:57am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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^^^ Useful, thanks. I couldn't remember when the modified PCJs first appeared, only that it was aroudn that time.
Realistically I think that if the engine hasn't self-destructed by now it is probably not going to (at least that is what I keep telling myself about my 275,000-mile 2007 engine). |
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25th Jan 2024 10:07am |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 545
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Agreed, best is to test first. As a matter of fact, I reckon this is a matter of personal preference, I've had two TD5 (one in a Defender and one in the Discovery) and I definitely prefer the Puma for its torque availability at low revs. “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique. -- 2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW 1979 Land Rover Series 3 88" |
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25th Jan 2024 10:14am |
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| Glen-I Member Since: 21 Oct 2023 Location: Berkshire Posts: 35
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I would also say to drive one first.
I went from a TD5 to the TDCi and after a few weeks, started falling out of love with the TDCi. This was made worse as I still had the TD5, so I could feel the immediate difference between the two of them. Anyway, bit the bullet and sold the TD5 as the TDCi is a nicer place to be (my commute to the office is 170mile round trip). My critism with my TDCi was excessive drivetrain slack (only done 30k). I've replaced the rear half shafts with one piece items, replaced the worn output shaft with a Ashcroft unit and refitted the rear diff pinion flange with Loctite 660 as this was also causing a noise. Now I love it, no slack or noise, yes the additional technology can be off putting, but for me who is in the trade, this doesn't bother me as despite this, they are still agricultural compared to modern stuff. Remap is next (bearing in mind my TD5 was remapped and I do remember before the remap it wasn't great). The different versions probably suit different scenarios......if I wanted something to play with in the mud then TD5 but as I invested a rather larger amount of money into this one, she won't get trashed. However, I do recall when looking for my TD5 which I purchased about 11-12 years ago, members/owners were saying stay away and stick with a 300tdi 🤷♂️ |
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25th Jan 2024 11:31am |
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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 818  
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Also consider the low temps you get in Canada...Every Puma I've had, they not great at starting in the cold...Td5 wins hands down here.
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25th Jan 2024 6:17pm |
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