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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Speed limits in these cases are nothing to do with tax classes. they're determined by whether the vehicle qualifies as a 'dual purpose vehicle', which is determined by unladen weight and being 4wd. There's been a lot of discussion on the forum about this over the years but this thread is a good place to start for more details:

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic87520.html Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

1st Nov 2023 4:03pm

shropshiredefender

Member Since: 05 Jun 2017
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 834

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

MarkBrown wrote:
Jeep wrangler 4 door.

Just replaced my 2011USW with one, beam axles, 280HP, 8 speed auto, proper panel gaps, leather, not overly endowed with electronics, iconic shape. more affordable than a G-Wagon.

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1st Nov 2023 4:48pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2703

l love the Weangler particularly in LWB and post 2018 with the 2.0 engines.

I would have bought one, but again they're not a Commercial Vehicle so l couldn't put it through my LTD Company.

1st Nov 2023 4:57pm

shropshiredefender

Member Since: 05 Jun 2017
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 834

Pity you're missing a treat. I've had Land Rover series, 300tdi and Puma since 1977, 5 in all and never without one.
The Wrangler is the only 4x4 that might fill the Land Rover gap in my life!

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1st Nov 2023 5:06pm

pjm-84

Member Since: 12 Apr 2021
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 660

Lol... BMW X5 with a side sprinkling of a VW T5 California and a Volvo XC70 for the grunt work. Off road is now CRF1000 in rally spec

Might consider an ID Buzz in the future to replace the Volvo, as it offers more space, however I do like the gruff 5 cylinder D5 and the comfort of the Volvo.

1st Nov 2023 5:21pm

Nuclear Nick

Member Since: 21 Aug 2021
Location: Southwest
Posts: 281

LandRoverAnorak wrote:
Speed limits in these cases are nothing to do with tax classes. they're determined by whether the vehicle qualifies as a 'dual purpose vehicle', which is determined by unladen weight and being 4wd. There's been a lot of discussion on the forum about this over the years but this thread is a good place to start for more details:

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic87520.html

Yes, fair enough, thanks for that. I was trying answer the point about pickups and motorway speed limit but went too far!

I have a Navara pickup and there has been considerable debate on the nissan-navara.net site on the same subject. Most variants are under the 2040kg limit but some premium versions may be over. If anyone’s interested see https://www.nissan-navara.net/threads/spee...y_top_post

1st Nov 2023 5:56pm

Jerry

Member Since: 13 Nov 2015
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 193

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Adventure Phoenix Orange

I’d like a Toyota Land Cruiser 300 series
Or a Toyota 79 series
Or ford bronco
…But none of these coming to the uk
G wagon definitely but way too expensive
I like the wranglers when they are lifted with larger tyres but not stock
So I’ll stick with the classic defender (I like the new defender in 90 format but would be concerned over long term >5 yr reliability on electronics).

1st Nov 2023 8:06pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

I’m already planning for a Fisker Ocean Force E in 3-4 years time. I suspect that the way JLR’s prices are going I won’t be able to afford a Defender BEV
https://www.fiskerinc.com/en-gb/forcee Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

1st Nov 2023 8:40pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 1972

Humvee ( Hummer H1) or unimog

1st Nov 2023 8:44pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3384

I’ll be taking a look at the Defender Sport EV or whatever they call it. Can’t see me moving from the Land Rover stable but if I did it’d be a Volvo of some description. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue

1st Nov 2023 8:58pm

XplusYplusZ

Member Since: 16 Aug 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 479

Tim in Scotland wrote:
I suspect that the way JLR’s prices are going I won’t be able to afford a Defender BEV

I figure I have at least one more ICE vehicle in me before I must move to an EV - So probably 5-6 years away. I'm hoping by that time, EV battery tech and range will have improved, and the woefully inadequate charging network will have ramped up sufficiently.

For the moment, I'm really not excited by the current offroad EV offerings. Again, I hope that changes 5 years form now. I am pleased to see the Defender BEV is in the works - But as you say, how much is the bloody thing going to cost!?

JLR have already identified the Discovery as an opportunity to 'elevate'.. i.e. squeeze more money from.

But there must be a point at which the market caps off. Not all LR owners have endless funds..

2nd Nov 2023 10:01am

MarkBrown

Member Since: 03 Oct 2022
Location: Mid Wales
Posts: 443

1983 Defender 110 Other HT Auto Keswick Green

shropshiredefender wrote:
MarkBrown wrote:
Jeep wrangler 4 door.

Just replaced my 2011USW with one, beam axles, 280HP, 8 speed auto, proper panel gaps, leather, not overly endowed with electronics, iconic shape. more affordable than a G-Wagon.

Click image to enlarge

I bet it's lovely, I've had a few Jeeps and once said I'd never ever own another Land Rover! I've since had three, and have started another 90 build, I guess one of each would do.....

2nd Nov 2023 11:39am

Telemarkskier

Member Since: 20 Jul 2020
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 126

XplusYplusZ wrote:
Tim in Scotland wrote:
I suspect that the way JLR’s prices are going I won’t be able to afford a Defender BEV

I figure I have at least one more ICE vehicle in me before I must move to an EV - So probably 5-6 years away. I'm hoping by that time, EV battery tech and range will have improved, and the woefully inadequate charging network will have ramped up sufficiently.

For the moment, I'm really not excited by the current off road EV offerings. Again, I hope that changes 5 years form now. I am pleased to see the Defender BEV is in the works - But as you say, how much is the bloody thing going to cost!?

JLR have already identified the Discovery as an opportunity to 'elevate'.. i.e. squeeze more money from.

But there must be a point at which the market caps off. Not all LR owners have endless funds..

JLR have already priced me out of the market so I am keeping my 2020 Defender for the time being. It's reliable and comfortable. Only real gripes are the door rubber creaks and the cost of the extended warranty. I suspect the small BEV Defender will have a starting price tag North of £60,000 2020 Defender 110 SE 240D: Fuji White.
2011 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE
2007 Freelander2 HSE (man)

2nd Nov 2023 2:16pm

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

Ineos Grenadier! The perfect Defender extender! Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

2nd Nov 2023 4:00pm

defender9

Member Since: 12 Mar 2016
Location: Fylde Coast
Posts: 1629

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

New Land Cruiser when it’s out next year, until then I’ll use my 25 year old LC which never puts a foot wrong. However I’ll still have a S1 and a 2 door RRC in the garage

2nd Nov 2023 4:38pm

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