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| donmacn Member Since: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1845  
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jimbo - thanks very much. I think that sort of wider context is probably enough for me. Valuable to hear of others experiences before spending my own cash.
I hadn’t actually realised just how expensive BFGs had become until yesterday. Putting 4 of them on a car will put a serious dent in the wallet; but even at that it’s a false economy if they’re not what I’m after. I have emailed BFG about doing 255/85 AT but I’m not going to hold my breath. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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13th Dec 2021 7:30pm |
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| Chris86 Member Since: 15 Jul 2014 Location: South Yorks Posts: 789  
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Hello,
Just wanted to chuck in my threepennies worth on the BFG vs Toyo debate. I ran 2 sets of 255/85/16 BFG KM2s on my 110, and ended up getting refunded on my second set after quality issues with the caskets after less than 1000miles. I fitted a set of 255/85/16 Toyo Open country Muds on the 110 as they were the only brand I could get the size at the time. Few bits of feedback - The Toyos took significantly less weight to balance (less than half in one case) - The Toyos are quieter, immediately noticable jumping from a virtually brand new set of BFGs to the Toyos. -On road performance- especially wet road the Toyos are a lot more predictable and have to be pushed a lot harder to lock up or slide - Off road I would say the performance is similar, the BFGs maybe edge them in really heavy clay with clearing *slightly* more efficiently due to a more open tread, the Toyos don't seem to chip as badly in sharp rocky environments. I would also say that the squarer profile of the Toyos seem to allow them to clamber out of ruts more effectively- they also seem to find grip on 'slick' surfaces where my BFGs didn't. Overall I'm pleased with them, I have subsequently fitted a set to our L200 which we use for off road training too which are 12k miles in now and cant fault them, they appear to be wearing well. I did have to play with the tyre pressures quite a bit to find where they are happiest- the L200 being leaves on the back its very noticeable. Chris |
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15th Dec 2021 2:01pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17414 
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I always find it interesting how tyre threads bring out the "Marmite effect"!
Since 2002 I've covered in excess of 500,000 miles on BFG KMs on my Def and Disco2, starting with the original KM (legendary durability, 100k miles quite achievable on a single set) through the KM2 and now the KM3. The KM2 and KM3 do not last as long as the original KM, but the KM3 appears slightly better than the KM2 in that respect (I think they are a softer compound than the originals). As far as road manners are concerned, none has ever given me the slightest cause for concern on dry or wet tarmac, I have never locked them up or had them let go, but I do drive my Defender in a manner appropriate for a 3 tonne 4x4 on mud tyres and not like a loony. The only time I have had the slightest issue with them is on hard-packed snow and ice where they are unquestionably at a disadvantage compared to Nokkians. I really cannot think of any conceivable reason why I would change to anything else, as long as these are available. If anyone is interested, the Disco is on 265/75x16s (I started on 245/75x16 for the first set, then went to 265) and the Def is on 255/85x16. |
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15th Dec 2021 3:16pm |
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| west4x4 Member Since: 23 Jan 2010 Location: Rutland Posts: 140
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 Click image to enlarge Good to hear some recommendations for these tyres in this size. Thinking of changing my very worm 35” big muds out for some to be a little more sensible than these big ballons |
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19th Dec 2021 2:28pm |
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| MarkBrown Member Since: 03 Oct 2022 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 466  
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Interesting read, although I don't manage to get anywhere near some of the milages stated on any tyre, on any vehicle. The Toyo Open Country MT's on my 110 have covered around 12k so far and I'd say by around 25 - 30k they'll be worn out. They're quite and grip well, both on and off road and I'd happily have another set when the time comes.
For comparison I had a set of BFG MT's on a different 110 twenty years ago and they lasted 25k before they had to be replaced at the legal limit. In fact I've only had MT's on my Land Rovers and Jeeps, none have ever passed 25k before needing replacing. The ones I preferred the most were Kumho MT 51, on a Jeep, followed by these Toyo's on the 110. The worst were Insa Dakar's, on another Jeep, followed by BFg mud terrains ( two sets, on two different 110's ) which looked good, but I found them to skittish on a wet road, although ok otherwise. So it's ten out of ten for the Toyo's for me. |
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25th Oct 2023 8:17pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 749
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The Toyo is a good all round tyre, but probably more aggressive AT than true MT. The KM3 is much better in the mud and aggressive remoulds another level again over the Toyo.
For running about, laning, overland etc it is good and a lot cheaper than the BFG in this size and in the UK the only real option on a budget unless you stumble across any Maxxis tyres in this size (haven't seen any for a couple of years...). |
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25th Oct 2023 10:19pm |
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