Leamreject wrote:

I’m a massive supporter of retaining core manufacturing within the UK, let’s hope Tata Steel make it work and the Government looks at another UK manufacturer to support next

Thanks pal
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Procta wrote:

Leamreject wrote:

I’m a massive supporter of retaining core manufacturing within the UK, let’s hope Tata Steel make it work and the Government looks at another UK manufacturer to support next

Thanks pal
The UK has been stripped of a lot of things, its about time stuff come back here.
Uk will have Pride again.

I agree with support for industry, but, at what point are these (normally) large companies just taking the pi$$?

Large company decides it will build new, or improve its factory. Journalists are primed to release stories that **** thousand jobs will be lost without help from the British Government (remember, that’s us tax payers) who are, quite plainly being blackmailed.

I’m sure Tata could afford to do it themselves, but why should they, if they can get the British Tax Payer to partially pay to improve their facilities?

It’s really rough luck for those people (and their families) who work in these industries and I appreciate what you say, Procta, about ripping the heart out of areas that are affected. This is why the Government step in, but I feel very uncomfortable about the way Tata and many other large companies play the blackmail card. I don’t think there is a solution, but it worries me that ten years down the line, Port Talbot will be shut and all of that money was sent to a highly profitable (foreign owned) multi-national for nothing. And still there will be thousands unemployed. It’s an expensive gamble.

You mention mining, Procta. Without opening up still very upsetting wounds in those areas affected, I often wonder what would have happened if the Miners Strike and battle with Maggie Thatcher had never happened? In the world we live in now, there would be very little mining required as coal is now a very dirty word (unless you are a steam enthusiast, and we conveniently stick our heads in the sand, and tell ourselves that the coal they burn is very minimal so it’s ok ) How would the mining communities of Wales, the Midland and the North have coped or managed as the mines ran their course and closed. What I am getting at is everything has a life, a time limit. Nothing lasts for ever. I have changed my career and if you had told the 16 year old me, I would not be doing now what I did my for my apprenticeship nearly forty years ago, I would have never have believed it. My dad was a newspaper compositor. He is nearly 80. That job doesn’t exist, and hardly anyone buys papers anymore. In Norwich, our main employer was Norwich Union. Every other person in Norwich worked there. Although they still are a large employer, they don’t employ nothing like the number of people they employed 40 years ago.

Any Government (be they Conservative, Labour or Liberal Coalition) have an amazing difficult tightrope to walk making these decisions. Let’s hope they gamble on the wining horse, and not one to be shot and dragged to the knackers yard!

Rashers wrote:

Procta wrote:

Leamreject wrote:

I’m a massive supporter of retaining core manufacturing within the UK, let’s hope Tata Steel make it work and the Government looks at another UK manufacturer to support next

Thanks pal
The UK has been stripped of a lot of things, its about time stuff come back here.
Uk will have Pride again.

I agree with support for industry, but, at what point are these (normally) large companies just taking the pi$$?

Large company decides it will build new, or improve its factory. Journalists are primed to release stories that **** thousand jobs will be lost without help from the British Government (remember, that’s us tax payers) who are, quite plainly being blackmailed.

I’m sure Tata could afford to do it themselves, but why should they, if they can get the British Tax Payer to partially pay to improve their facilities?

It’s really rough luck for those people (and their families) who work in these industries and I appreciate what you say, Procta, about ripping the heart out of areas that are affected. This is why the Government step in, but I feel very uncomfortable about the way Tata and many other large companies play the blackmail card. I don’t think there is a solution, but it worries me that ten years down the line, Port Talbot will be shut and all of that money was sent to a highly profitable (foreign owned) multi-national for nothing. And still there will be thousands unemployed. It’s an expensive gamble.

You mention mining, Procta. Without opening up still very upsetting wounds in those areas affected, I often wonder what would have happened if the Miners Strike and battle with Maggie Thatcher had never happened? In the world we live in now, there would be very little mining required as coal is now a very dirty word (unless you are a steam enthusiast, and we conveniently stick our heads in the sand, and tell ourselves that the coal they burn is very minimal so it’s ok ) How would the mining communities of Wales, the Midland and the North have coped or managed as the mines ran their course and closed. What I am getting at is everything has a life, a time limit. Nothing lasts for ever. I have changed my career and if you had told the 16 year old me, I would not be doing now what I did my for my apprenticeship nearly forty years ago, I would have never have believed it. My dad was a newspaper compositor. He is nearly 80. That job doesn’t exist, and hardly anyone buys papers anymore. In Norwich, our main employer was Norwich Union. Every other person in Norwich worked there. Although they still are a large employer, they don’t employ nothing like the number of people they employed 40 years ago.

Any Government (be they Conservative, Labour or Liberal Coalition) have an amazing difficult tightrope to walk making these decisions. Let’s hope they gamble on the wining horse, and not one to be shot and dragged to the knackers yard!

I would have thought the mines would have closed down due to less demand on coal, but the ship yards would have still been in action.
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