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DC101

Member Since: 01 Jul 2012
Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire
Posts: 260

Side window guards - internal or external

Hi,

Looking at pros and cons for guards on rear side windows on a 110 CSW, and any recommendations.

Have looked around at posts and also at MSS, Ore, bison, nakatakatnenger.

Leaning towards internal. My thinking is that internal provides some space to strap things on?

Also, I presume external you will have to drill into the body work, which I prefer to avoid. Is that the case internally?

Obviously, also still want them to open!

Any further points to consider?

As usual, input always appreciated to help in decision process.
May have to post in wanted section..!

Thanks

Rob

7th Oct 2023 12:21pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5729

2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver

External also makes window cleaning very hard, and also will “test” the durability of the finish.

7th Oct 2023 1:33pm

bodstruck

Member Since: 09 May 2020
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 922

A personal opinion but I recon external guards look a bit poo. And you have to drill the sides so no turning back.

I am fitting internal ones because, as you say, you can hang or strap stuff on and if you decide to sell the car or change configuration at any time it is less involved.

7th Oct 2023 4:28pm

DC101

Member Since: 01 Jul 2012
Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire
Posts: 260

Thanks for the replies.
Reinforces my thoughts to fit internal..
TBH didn’t even think about cleaning the glass!

7th Oct 2023 5:16pm

Screbble

Member Since: 26 Apr 2015
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 2106

2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

What is this ‘cleaning’ witchcraft you speak of?

7th Oct 2023 5:22pm

DC101

Member Since: 01 Jul 2012
Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire
Posts: 260

PS Are 90 and 110 sides the same?

7th Oct 2023 5:29pm

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2117

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

Another vote for internal window guards

The other thing in the favour of internal guards is that any lose loads in the vehicle will not hit the window (however is all should be tied down but life happens !) - this is what they are designed to do along with security and the likes ..

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7th Oct 2023 6:39pm

Mdm

Member Since: 11 Sep 2013
Location: Sunny Lancashire
Posts: 1624

you'll find internal ones are better but most are external only versions.

outside they rust, inside less so

on the last two we built we converted som externals to fit inside and made them removable so we could clean the windows.

7th Oct 2023 8:31pm

macfrank

Member Since: 05 Nov 2015
Location: somewhere in the north
Posts: 1081

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Screbble wrote:
What is this ‘cleaning’ witchcraft you speak of?

my thoughts exactly

7th Oct 2023 8:40pm

MarkBrown

Member Since: 03 Oct 2022
Location: Mid Wales
Posts: 475

1983 Defender 110 Other HT Auto Keswick Green

I quite like the expedition look, especially on a dark colour vehicle, but agree they'd be hard to wash and the powder coating would fall off. They'd definitely be much handier inside to tie things in place.

I always carry a roll of duck tape in case a window breaks, I did have one go out green laning once, how I don't know, it was the one by the back door and I wasn't anywhere near any trees, but tape filled the hole.

8th Oct 2023 7:41am

LR Nuts

Member Since: 10 Aug 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 1143

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beware of using vents in wet and cold climates, as they cause condensation on the inside of your windows which can be difficult to get rid of.

I have vents in my rear windows .... but only in the good summer months, remove them in the winter.
Just used for airflow.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115934564771?ha...R6i9wOPhYg

GASP !!!! ...... I paid £85 for mine recently.

8th Oct 2023 7:44am

LR Nuts

Member Since: 10 Aug 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 1143

Just trying to help ..........

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new on eBay this evening ........ nothing to do with me......good luck

8th Oct 2023 7:00pm

DC101

Member Since: 01 Jul 2012
Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire
Posts: 260

Thanks for all the comments and heads up on eBay.
Been out of action last couple of days
Internal it is then:- do they get screwed into the body work or just trim.
Hate drilling into capping; just doesn't seem right!

Now this is solved, next post is about dog guards...again, help welcomed!

Kind regards,

Robin

11th Oct 2023 8:10am

bodstruck

Member Since: 09 May 2020
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 922

If it is Mantec ones they attach to the trim. I believe MSS ones go under the trim and fix to the sides.

I have instructions for mantec ones. I can take a photo of them and send to you if it helps.

11th Oct 2023 9:01am

DC101

Member Since: 01 Jul 2012
Location: Pudsey, West Yorkshire
Posts: 260

Thanks, that would be helpful.
👍

11th Oct 2023 11:13am

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