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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450   
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Yes, fit an Ashcroft ATB !
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14th Apr 2024 11:46am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Still not had time to fit it, which means the last genuine LR clutch has now done about 130k, which could be a record.
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14th Apr 2024 3:05pm |
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| Waka56 Member Since: 08 Nov 2023 Location: Hamburg Posts: 163 
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Okey. I was asking about that because the member that was recommending the Transit clutch also mention the Master cylinder. Just wanted to know if the change was a must or only if the MC is giving bad symptoms..
Congrats on the 130k  Making my Defender great again. (Or trying to at least xD) |
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14th Apr 2024 3:27pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3425  
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I did not do much other than clean it and helicoil some already damaged threads. I did remove the bottom cover to have a good inspect inside, and to ensure that the studs I was gluing in were not touching the intermediate gear. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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14th Apr 2024 3:47pm |
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| Waka56 Member Since: 08 Nov 2023 Location: Hamburg Posts: 163
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Thanks, I might get some helicoils in case.
Do you know if the Sachs master cylinder 6284 600 602 is better than the original one (Part number STC500100)? I am buying from LOF directly, and the original is like a third of the price. Making my Defender great again. (Or trying to at least xD) |
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14th Apr 2024 4:31pm |
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| Siwynne Member Since: 04 Nov 2016 Location: West lancs Posts: 583 
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I’ve done a spigot bearing today
I knock the back out of them with a punch . Push an m8 bolt in wedge it in to one side with a couple of wooden dowels tapped in so the head sits behind the bearing. I then put a big socket over the bolt and then a washer and nut and simply wind the bearing out. 5 min job zero cost. |
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14th Apr 2024 4:55pm |
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| Waka56 Member Since: 08 Nov 2023 Location: Hamburg Posts: 163
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Thanks for the tip, not sure I'll take any risks tho
Done it on a Tdci? ground work? I went for the ashcroft output shaft, you guys made sense  Making my Defender great again. (Or trying to at least xD) |
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14th Apr 2024 5:05pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3425
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Re the master cylinder, I do not know which brand is better… they all leak eventually - rebuilt and replaced so many on my Landrover in 30 years of ownership.
On my 90 that I am sloooowly restoring, I went for dot5 fluid (silicone), at least when it leaks it will not wreck the bulkhead paint. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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14th Apr 2024 6:44pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Personally I wouldn't bother doing anything to the MC unless it is actually leaking or defective. I can see no reason why using a Transit driven plate and cover would make any difference - the only possible difference would be if the springs in the cover were significantly different and I have never heard that suggested. FYI my master cylinder is the original from the factory (275k miles or so) even though I think I am on the 6th driven plate. No 6 has however done much better than numbers 1 through 5. |
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14th Apr 2024 7:33pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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The master lasts a long time, I only replaced mine because it was possible it was an issue which it wasn’t so decided I may as well anyway.
But I would not fuss over replacing them, they are normally okay for many clutches as BW mentioned. Slaves are more common to need doing by far. With mine being a 2.4, it’s worth noting that the later 2.2 slave cylinder can be used on it along with associated bleed valve etc for the 2.2. So 2.2 parts are retrofittable to a 2.4 regarding the slave, and pipework, bleed valve etc. Spigot bearing is required to be replaced, flywheels seem to be very trouble free in my opinion. Lubing the output shaft splines as BW suggested years ago seems to keep the standard output shaft in A1 condition. I may be lucky in that there isn’t any alignment issues, some have a lot of issues with that or that they are dry splines from the factory or both. I’m using a Genuine LR master, with the Transit clutch as of now, with the later 2.2 Gen slave. It’s rare to have hydraulic leaks I think, if there is, it’s usually internally with the slave diaphragm and that’s hard to detect. I know I had one that had a pinhole leak in it once. I bought the Transit clutch from Autodoc (was in Germany) for delivery to the U.K., all was good, but, I was surprised by the time it took to arrive, I think it was near two and a half weeks almost. Longer than I expected to be honest, but, it was packaged well and all present and correct. I hope this info maybe of use to others, if perhaps a guide anwyay. I’m pleased with the clutch, feels good and I’m pretty sure it slips less from new than LR I feel it’s more HD without being heavy. No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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14th Apr 2024 7:54pm |
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| Waka56 Member Since: 08 Nov 2023 Location: Hamburg Posts: 163
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Thanks a lot for the feed back. Also bought the clutch in Germany, but I live here.. Ordered the 2.2 parts, spigot bearing from the UK, Ashcroft upgraded shaft to. I did not order the master cylinder, can always do it later.
I haven't ordered anything else yet, not sure what bearing/joints are supposed to be replaced when reassembling. Making my Defender great again. (Or trying to at least xD) Last edited by Waka56 on 15th Apr 2024 6:55am. Edited 1 time in total |
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14th Apr 2024 8:10pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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 No Guts, No Glory.
🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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14th Apr 2024 8:57pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3425
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Interesting to see that you can get good life our of your clutch hydraulic systems
Guess it has to do with the local driving, where gear changes are much more frequent. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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15th Apr 2024 4:56am |
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| Siwynne Member Since: 04 Nov 2016 Location: West lancs Posts: 583
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. Yes 2.2 tdci on the ground It really is easy as long as the bolt is pressed to one side keeping the head behind the bearing. |
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15th Apr 2024 9:34pm |
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