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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253  
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Exactly. They act like snow/mud ploughs in reverse. The absolute best steering guard for the defender (in my opinion) is the OEM bar. Simple, effective, incredibly cheap. |
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13th Nov 2011 12:55am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 2945
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What use is 1500kg shackle a fully kited 90 is well over 2000kg
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13th Nov 2011 1:05am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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That is a very nicely designed bit of kit.....I like!! If it is anything like their other products it will be ridiculously well made
 You could understand this high level of production and finish for the medical industry or NASA but it's almost an insult to then bolt their stuff onto a Defender 
The argument re-cost is a bit of a loss leader when you spend 15 - 30K on a Defender and other marques can be had so much cheaper (in the majority of cases they will do what most people want a 4X4 for!). Some people like me pay the extra because they love the design. I have just spent 7K on a 9K boat (  bargain!) when I could of got something 20 years younger for 3K but the demand for the attractive traditional boat designs pushes prices up to crazy levels. I don't mind paying the extra because to appreciate the looks of something gives me so much satisfaction. There is always a demand for well built quality stuff and people will pay for it. It's all relative as well of course, £500 to one person is the same as £50 to another - shame I am in the latter bracket so won't be buying one just yet  |
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13th Nov 2011 9:06am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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I have the OEM from new and it looks the job (I like solid things underneath me). Unfortunately, I've not had a chance to really "use" it yet
However, for style and build quality the Entreq stuff is excellent i.e. for anything in the cabin, around the bodywork etc. Just waiting for the newly-designed stainless threshes now  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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13th Nov 2011 9:23am |
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| Lorryman100 Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Here Posts: 2686 |
1500kg x 2 =3000 kg, well it did when I went to school |
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13th Nov 2011 9:58am |
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| Red Desert Member Since: 23 Aug 2010 Location: Lake Constance Posts: 53
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If you bring a new product on the market, you should know beforehand whether you want it generally better (and thus expensive) to make, or if you try to sell on price as much as possible.
If you look at different products on the market you have to wonder about these prices. Cheap imported goods will cost much needed jobs in your own country, add a lot of damage to the environment and waste resources. In the long run this is certainly not a good decision. Fortunately, everyone must decide for himself whether he has a problem with this circumstances or not. Therefore, the shackles come from RUD and not from a provider of the Far East. Also, everyone can decide whether to buy a Lada Niva or a Defender, a Hyundai Terracan or a Range Rover. And that's a good thing. Each manufacturer of a product welcomes qualified criticism of his product, so he can make it even better. |
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13th Nov 2011 10:32am |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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Anyone know who makes the OEM steering guard? John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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13th Nov 2011 10:58am |
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| BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253
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Zag, this isnt really an argument about cost, it's clearly really well made and almost a work of metallic art. My issue is that something like this with its associated cost is simply not required when LR make a bar which is perfect for the job. On mine I hit it plenty of times and it always stayed rigid, no dents, no problems. I'm all for spending money to get the right bit of kit for the job, but when the right bit of kit is 15 quid or so from ebay (new), and not even expensive from LR, I see no point in spending hundreds on something which actually just isn't as good as the cheaper one. If you get stuck in deep mud or snow and have to be pulled out backwards, these types of guards force mud / snow / sand straight up into the engine bay, I've seen it happen plenty of times. They can also make rear recover incredibly difficult because they just dig in. However, if you want something which looks good and is really well made but you're not actually going to use it for its intended purpose, then that's a personal choice, it's one I can't really relate to, but fair enough. and to red desert - your argument about "cheap imports" doesn't really hold any weight since we are in the UK and the product is made in Germany. If we buy one that's simply money flowing out of the UK, there is zero benefit. I say again though, in terms of build, it looks fantastically well made. |
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13th Nov 2011 11:02am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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That's a good point, actually. The recovery forces involved with a properly stuck vehicle are much more than merely the kerb weight. For many years, the standard rating for vehicle winches was typically 8000kgs, although much bigger ones are more common these days. This rating is largely based on the force needed to extract a laden vehicle form axle deep mud, which can reach two or three times the kerb weight. There's a much more detailed explanation of this in the book, Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide by Tom Sheppard. Typical individual shackle ratings for recovery purposes on Land Rover scales are 4.75 tonnes. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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13th Nov 2011 11:22am |
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| Red Desert Member Since: 23 Aug 2010 Location: Lake Constance Posts: 53
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@ Big Mike
just because a manufacturer claims his product made in the UK or made in Germany, it does not mean that the manufacturer is telling the truth. Many german and english products for land rover come from Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Ukraine. INERNATIONAL trade is nothing wrong as long as the customer is not misled. |
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13th Nov 2011 11:25am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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Yeah I'd cry my eyes out if I ever scratched it Mike
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13th Nov 2011 11:26am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Darren have you got your units mixed up?
8000kg = 17,600 lbs. Vast majority of recovery winches are typically 8,000 - 9,600 lbs with larger ones being 12,000 - 16,000lbs Brendan PS A online recovery text is billy vista recovery bible found HERE for those who do not have a copy of Tom Sheppards book Last edited by leeds on 13th Nov 2011 11:36am. Edited 1 time in total |
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13th Nov 2011 11:27am |
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| Red Desert Member Since: 23 Aug 2010 Location: Lake Constance Posts: 53
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The shackles of RUD (one shackle) implement(s) the 4-fold safety for towed loads. To do this, you must speak with the engineers from RUD not to make a wrong choice. |
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13th Nov 2011 11:29am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 2945
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[quote="Lorryman100"]
1500kg x 2 =3000 kg, well it did when I went to school :rol ..: |
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13th Nov 2011 12:02pm |
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