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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1122  
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68188064
Our Range Rovers are not UK's most-stolen car, says Jaguar Land Rover |
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3rd Feb 2024 9:28am |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1782  
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They also say they believe in customer care, look after our products and wheels falling off defenders are a myth and not important!
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3rd Feb 2024 10:56am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1379 
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It would be good to get a breakdown of which particular model years. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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3rd Feb 2024 11:54am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387  
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Unfortunately until insurance provider data agrees it won't make a blind bit of difference. It is also sadly typical of JLR nowadays that the response is to dispute the evidence rather than fix the problem. |
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3rd Feb 2024 11:55am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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I'm not sure it matters really, as long as insurers tar them all with the same brush. The fact that the theft epidemic from keyless-entry era vehicles is making it impossible in some cases to insure a classic Defender (which hasn't become any easier to steal than it used to be when insurable) suggests that the insurance industry simply doesn't care. |
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3rd Feb 2024 11:57am |
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| edo Member Since: 20 Aug 2018 Location: Devon Posts: 375
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3rd Feb 2024 12:12pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2639  
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It amazes me that JLR are even still in the Uk with the way things are going.
Those pre orders for the new fully electric FFRR don’t include the clients reaction to the no doubt ridiculously expensive retail price, super high depreciation, the possibility of not even being able to insure them and now three London Councils are bringing in EV parking charges that can cost £36 to park all day citing that EV’s are more polluting across their life time (yep, I know, the goal posts keep moving). And very recently London is talking about an SUV charges or parking tax which you have to assume this means EV’s too because you can’t say that one is and isn’t an SUV if theres money to be made…….. And what happens in London will only get worse if Labour get in. Oh yeah, and the other thing is that the safety barriers on motorways can’t withstand an EV crashing through it let alone a potential 3 tons of FFRR going through it. It’s a shame but JLR have made their own rod for their backs. When the rich start walking they won’t have any customers left with a disposable income at present to replace them because they decided that the little guy isn't important |
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3rd Feb 2024 2:33pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20381
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Just my opinion, but I think it’s more due to desirability to thrives rather than vulnerability to it.
Hence artificially high rates. But just my humble opinion. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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3rd Feb 2024 2:51pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3500 
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Just shows how arrogant the company has become
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3rd Feb 2024 3:21pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20381
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Their lack of interest in previous models and maintenance is notable though.
I have not been that keen on the brand since Ford moved it onto Tata. Too much interest in the Evoke, and the really nice D4 morphed into the D5 which I don’t like. Considering Tata’s activity in the U.K., I can’t say it’s been in any way good. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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3rd Feb 2024 3:30pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1060 
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Frankly I have gone off fancy cars. Owned many Landrovers, D3, D4, RR, but I started to realize I don't care much about any electronic toys. A car just needs to drive good, be reasonably practical, safe and have AC. The rest is all just surplus you pay with no real added value.
Keyless entry, my D4 and RR had it. Totally pointless. I don't miss not having it. What is the problem with a normal key? Don't get me wrong I like cars, I like to work on them. I recently bought a P38, great car. It just I think they are overdoing cars now. Same issue with electric cars, they can't just make a normal car electric, no it has to come with a whole heap of expensive toys. And all those toys age rapidly, software updates 10 years from now? |
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3rd Feb 2024 7:29pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20381
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Exactly, and you can and will often get software outpacing hardware of which leaves physical hardware obsolete in next to no time.
It’s one of the classic techniques of physiological sales techniques of “upgrading” which is sales for continue to pay on-going along with peer pressure attraction. It does make me laugh when electric is pushed as an upgrade. 
That’s what they said with the milk floats, decades and decades ago, and where are they now? Not many. This is one of the same issues, causing massive price increases upon the Agri market. Look at the prices of Harvesters, Tractors and any non basic Agri equipment these days. (Of which there are very knowledgable members on this on here no doubt). £1.2 million pound potato or pea harvesters just as an example. And the intricacies of a lot of the equipment and engineering, even the manufacturers engineers and technicians, can’t keep up with because some are in different countries. And if an equipment owner (or lease) is able to be lucky enough to fix themselves if you can call it lucky, the downtime due to parts needed to be brought in by shipping or flown in from outside of the country. Even further delayed by customs and further delays on that schedule. Many things can be stocked and ready to go, but is not always the case. Then there is the phenomena of one technician / expert, that needs another experts advice on an issue that isn’t in their skill set and the saga goes on which just delays the economy all together. Slowing everything down unnecessarily. Especially critical, for example if there is a crop that is weather sensitive or harvest is time critical due to weather conditions or atmospheric conditions and if that is exactly best timing such as for wheat harvest as an example to bring the moisture content down then drying costs go up. I can’t see why there is such a draw to unlocking a vehicle with an iPhone, and things like that which is going to be more vulnerable to hacks to overcome such technology. If it is created, it gets overcome or hacked then a new generation of security layers are made. And it wastes a significant amount of time in daily life entering passwords, usernames and login cues codes day in and day out.  $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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3rd Feb 2024 9:37pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3500
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I think that is a very fair point, TexasRover.
Car manufacturers are getting a bit like mobile phone manufacturers. They have to keep adding 'value' to their next reincarnation to get the punters to swap. Whether or not the said punters need or even use that added value the manufacturers offer remains to be seen. The wife's Tesla can do some amazing things, but she hardly uses any of the toys Elon provides. I mean, I think it is really impressive how the cameras picks up cones and parked cars on the infotainment screen as you drive a long, but they're not difficult to see through the windscreen, and isn't that where you should be looking? The Tesla has also started throwing wobblies every so often where it needs what I describe as 'Control Alt Delete' to get it 'back into the room'. It's a year old and is already showing issues. Do you think in ten years time, it will work? I mean every one is worrying about battery life, but I'm not convinced the software bugs and the glitches won't finish these cars off well before any battery failures  |
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3rd Feb 2024 9:57pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3500
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custom90steve, I was chatting to a local Farmer last year (I borrowed one of his tractors and flail cutter to trim up the hedges around the fields). I borrowed his Case MX170. It's not new, it is a 2002 model. He likes his case tractors. He has newer tractors on the farm and the new one, another Case, looks the part and has red leather seats! But he was decrying their use of electronically operated spool valves. He much rather the feel and control of a mechanical lever. In fact, he told me that this is why he still runs two MX170's on the farm. They do exactly what he wants without too many problems. A good uncomplicated tractor.
He does like the GPS control on the John Deere Combine  |
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3rd Feb 2024 10:10pm |
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