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XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
When the vehicle was first launched, many (including ADs) didn't know that there were two stages to folding flat the second row in the 7 seater. You have to apply a little(ok, a LOT) of weight onto the seat backs, but the second row does fold almost entirely flat. (photos from an old post on here, courtesy of Hugh Martin).
Just folded Forward, not locked into position: Click image to enlarge Folded forwarded and locked in position: Click image to enlarge Your list is about right. The 4pots are probably worth avoiding, given a couple blew up and they swiftly moved to 6pots. I'm sure loads of them were fine...but... do you really want to chance it out of warranty!? The X-Dynamics had fancier exteriors, (darker grey bumpers, black rear tow eyes, shiny black sills), but not full leather seats. Non-X-Dynamics had the matte plastic sills and a lighter coloured grey bumper. They generally had either full leather seats, or cloth seats.. AVOID cloth seats from the earlier models, they stained pretty badly even from just water drips. From low to high trim levels: S X-Dynamic S SE X-Dynamic SE XS - kinda floats around the HSE level of trim I think. 75th also sits around here but is a very marmite colour. Maybe good for a deal to be struck though.. HSE X-Dynamic HSE V8 / Carpathian / Spectre.. for the MY23/23.5s there were also a couple of important differences which varied on the time of day the car rolled out the factory it seems - where either a 9 or 11inch central display screen was built. Similarly interchangable on 23 years was the drivers console - it may be two analog dials with a small screen, OR a big Interactive Driver's Display (many people prefer the IDD). In MY23.5 they did away with standard air suspension, so if you buy before MY23.5 you'll almost certainly have air suspension (though you could option springs specially). For MY23.5 you had to pay extra for Air - 7 seaters had to have air.. It's a minefield and not all very obvious.. |
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23rd Oct 2023 3:57pm |
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MHE15 Member Since: 25 Mar 2022 Location: Midlands Posts: 32 |
To get my load bay flat I first pull up the back seat base, fold forward the head restraints then fold the seat backs down. Gives a fully flat floor.
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23rd Oct 2023 4:04pm |
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mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 |
The 4 pots are fine, they are used across the range and probably in similar volumes and i think theres just as many failure of the 6 pots. The defenders were designed for the 4 as the 6 wasnt ready in design and they needed to launch it.
Cloth stain was a warranty fix When fixed there are no issues. Trim levels arent simple themselves as they changed in MY and shortage based. I still think the early ones have more (like dimming mirrors both side) Mike |
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23rd Oct 2023 4:51pm |
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RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592 |
I’ve just spent the last 4 weeks sourcing an instock new defender it is a minefield. The line up is overly complicated and if your not careful further complicated by the parts shortages and spec tweaks, cars of the same designation can have significant differences such is analogue dash vs digital and air suspension vs coils.
I eventually found a d300 x dynamic HSE with 95% of what I want just missing rear heated seats and rear cool assist. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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23rd Oct 2023 5:25pm |
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J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3395 |
When it was first launched, everything was simpler and cheaper.
Defender (base model) S SE HSE First Edition X 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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23rd Oct 2023 6:15pm |
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Defendit.. Member Since: 09 Aug 2020 Location: 's-Hertogenbosch Posts: 422 |
Everything was very complete @ introduction on all levels. So my S spec MY21 is now almost SE/HSE spec.
It's a commercial journey by JLR, no other car producer makes it lesser and more expensive. They get away with it. Search for a full spec 2021, my advice. No Mud flaps for my 90.! ----------------------------------------- P300 S MY21 on air, adv.+ offroad pack, DRL+fog, Dinamica Suedecloth + Ebony headliner/Cross Beam- Many Mods.. |
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23rd Oct 2023 6:46pm |
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Nasher Member Since: 28 Dec 2011 Location: Near Pompey Posts: 46 |
Thanks all, I do appreciate your comments, and am glad it appears that it's not just my aging brain getting confused by the many and varied options.
XplusYplusZ, many thanks for your description and images of the folded seats in your 7 seat 110, they are certainly folded flatter than I've seen others. Unfortunately of course they are still not completely flat, which is important to me, and something I'm used to having coming from a string of D3/4s. I note you mention another thread about the subject, do you have a link please? MHE15, your comment is interesting about lifting the seat base. Have you posted any images in another thread? Last edited by Nasher on 24th Oct 2023 9:03am. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Oct 2023 7:06am |
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mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 |
I like my defender, enjoyed my D4's and liked the D5.
I would say if you want the capability of the D4, capacity etc - get the D5. The defender is definitely more like the older defender than the Discovery. I know why people will say its more like the D4, although i think thats not correct, its more about the comparison of the D4 to D5. Mike |
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24th Oct 2023 7:22am |
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XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic81042...=fold+flat |
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24th Oct 2023 7:29am |
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AmL Member Since: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Devon Posts: 30 |
Other than in name, the new Defender is nothing like the old one. The new Defender should have been called a Discovery, and the Discovery 5 consigned to the ugly bin. |
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24th Oct 2023 8:04am |
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Nasher Member Since: 28 Dec 2011 Location: Near Pompey Posts: 46 |
Many thanks |
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24th Oct 2023 9:04am |
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Nasher Member Since: 28 Dec 2011 Location: Near Pompey Posts: 46 |
I fully agree with this statement. The D5 is a step too far for me in terms of styling. Yes, it's a very capable vehicle which would replace my D4 fully in terms of my practical needs, but at this stage I just wouldn't want to look at one on my drive. |
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24th Oct 2023 9:08am |
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MHE15 Member Since: 25 Mar 2022 Location: Midlands Posts: 32 |
Nasher, I have a five seat 110. Pictures of the load floor with the rear seat bases pulled up and seat backs down. You do not have to remove the rear head rests, just fold them forward then they slot in next to the raised seat base.
Michael Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge |
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25th Oct 2023 3:11pm |
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Nasher Member Since: 28 Dec 2011 Location: Near Pompey Posts: 46 |
Thanks MHE15, they show how little the upturned squab shortens the load area
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25th Oct 2023 10:14pm |
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