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Siwynne



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Egr complete removal 2.2
I have blanked the egr and had it mapped out. There is a slight air leak between the inlet manifold an egr pipe. I intend to completely remove the egr, egr cooler and pipe if I can find a suitable plug for the inlet manifold. Does anybody know if one exists or if a manifold without egr inlet exists
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Siwynne



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Despite searching endlessly this does not appear to be “a thing”. To me the flow of air is seriously disrupted in the inlet having the egr pipe sat in there. To that end I have dug out an old inlet manifold and will use it to measure and make a plug. The ultimate EGR delete.


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It will fit in here.



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This is where the pipe sits. That’s just a cable tie sat in there to show where.
Post #1008545 23rd Sep 2023 7:06am
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Ianh



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An MOT involves a visual inspection to see if an EGR is present.

So if you remove it and it’s absence is spotted during the MOT it will be a major fail .

Therefore if removing, rather than blanking , you are more at risk of an MOT failure.

MOT inspection manual states.

8.2.1.1. Exhaust emission control equipment
You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, and exhaust gas recirculation valves.

You should reject all vehicles first used on or after 1 September 2002, where original emissions control equipment components are missing, obviously modified or obviously defective.

Vehicles used prior to 1 September 2002 should only be rejected, where a full catalyst test could apply. Use the flowcharts 1, 2 and 3 to decide which emission test is applicable for the vehicle being tested.

Defect
(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer: missing, obviously modified or obviously defective Category = Major
(b) An induction or exhaust leak that could affect emissions levels Category = Major
Post #1008583 23rd Sep 2023 1:25pm
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Siwynne



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Looks like a choice of three options then

1 do it an hope its not noticed
2 don’t do it
3 do it and be sneaky and put the egr pipe back with the end missing and a plug in place of the end
Post #1008601 23rd Sep 2023 4:44pm
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.... or you could have a remap and have the unit tuned off which will comply with the rules and let more air in at various rev situations .. Whistle

This is probably not the option you were looking for but it would save you trying to get the ECU to accept the unit isn’t there along with the associated sensors which I believe was an issue with the 2.4 Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
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Siwynne



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It’s already mapped out blanked at both ends but there is a small leak from inlet manifold to egr as the gasses are pressurised by the uprated turbo through a big intercooler. Hence the desire to blank and seal it properly. It could be that the rubber o ring isn’t sitting properly but if I’m taking it out to seal I want to improve it as it’s a redundant bit of kit getting in the way of incoming air. Squeezing more out of this engine has become a bit of an obsession. I drove I big standard for 120k and the last 10k have been so much more fun and pleasant. It started when the supplier didn’t have a standard replacement turbo cartridge on the shelf when the oil pump ruined the turbo and engine. I fitted the uprated one they had and I was hooked.
Post #1008603 23rd Sep 2023 5:03pm
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Siwynne



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I made a plug today

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Just got to get the pipe out and fit it
Post #1008709 24th Sep 2023 5:49pm
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Ianh



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Siwynne wrote:
Looks like a choice of three options then

1 do it an hope its not noticed
2 don’t do it
3 do it and be sneaky and put the egr pipe back with the end missing and a plug in place of the end


I think option 3 will give you the best chance of passing the mot if you leave the deleted EGR and blanked EGR cooler in place.

PS. Nice piece of fabrication.
Post #1008710 24th Sep 2023 5:59pm
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Siwynne



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Driven today and pleased to report there is a difference. Not so much at lower rpm but when moving from 55ish to 70 in 6th. Pulling out to overtake a lorry is much easier. It picks up noticeably quicker.
Post #1008894 25th Sep 2023 10:00pm
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Daphne



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The EGR is required for DPF regen to burn off the soot.
Post #1016081 22nd Nov 2023 9:18pm
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Roy5695



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what DPF? Whistle 2011 Defender DCPU 2.2 - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic30623.html

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Post #1016967 1st Dec 2023 10:28am
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Siwynne



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Post #1016971 1st Dec 2023 10:48am
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Daphne



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I toyed with it but I took it out and had it cleaned. But next time who knows Wink Wink
Post #1016986 1st Dec 2023 11:57am
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