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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665   
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So I put a deposit a few months ago.
Just had the email saying it's time to finalise my spec, and go into production. My belief is that Ineos are letting me have the vehicle for the price I agreed at the time of deposit, and they have gone up a bit since... I'm not going ahead, for a few reasons. Anyone want it??? Happy to do a deal... Can meet at the Dealer (Carlisle) on pickup day and you can have a pre-reg car at a few grand discount? ...and beat the queue.  Click image to enlarge Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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27th Jul 2023 2:16pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665
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Cancelled my order this morning.
When cancelling, you have a box to type in your reasons. I said that I think they have made a bad choice on using the BMW engines. A commercial based power unit (like the one in my Ducato with a 9-sp auto box) would be cheaper to build, cheaper to maintain, easier to maintain, have (arguably) a better duty cycle, and better MPG. I just felt the BMW engine felt like a car engine, and not a commercial grade engine (not a manly 4x4 engine). It felt "thrashy". Just IMO. The vehicle (admittedly petrol) i test-drove managed just 22 mpg. Driving like miss daisy following the lorries at 56mph... 22mpg. You could not drive slower and maintain top gear (the auto box changes down). Sad really, I really wanted to buy one. I love the concept. But now I'll probably get an auto box from Ashcroft in my Defender  Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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28th Jul 2023 6:03am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2301  
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Interesting. Presumably it's down to emissions? > 110 XS Double Cab
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28th Jul 2023 7:39am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665
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It does look as tho the Grenadier gets much worse MPG than the same engine/drivetrain in the X5... but as you would expect as the Grenadier is heavier and less aerodynamic...? Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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28th Jul 2023 8:58am |
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| Jim1988 Member Since: 26 Oct 2017 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 248
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My 2018 X3 30d averaged 32MPG over the 60 thousand miles I did in it.
Now have a 2023 X3 M40i that’s averaging 28mpg over the 4 thousand miles I’ve done so far. Sorry can’t help with the MPG the grenadier is getting. But that’s my experience with the same engines. Thanks Jim. |
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29th Jul 2023 5:34am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665
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On the FB group, real life MPG for the diesel seems to be around 25mpg... Considerably worse than my 2011 2.4 TDCI Defender. Plus of course there's a tenner in AdBlu every 2500 miles...
It would make my trips to Scotland considerably more expensive My 2.3 9sp auto Ducato weights more and does 35mpg Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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29th Jul 2023 8:23am |
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| NickMc Member Since: 01 Oct 2014 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1628  
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Can’t stop thinking of this when people mention MPG in these and Defenders 
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29th Jul 2023 6:32pm |
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| The Gribbin Member Since: 25 Mar 2022 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 32 
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Best thing I have done to my Defender - Ashcrofts know what they're doing... shame they used mild steel brackets on the oil cooler, without painting them! |
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30th Jul 2023 12:19pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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Do you have a Puma Gribbin? If so, which engine? I'm thinking of an auto upgrade but am sort of wondering how the Ashcroft 4-speed auto mates with a Puma 2.4? Fine, I'm sure, on A Roads and Motorways, but I live in the Alps and a lot of my driving is up/down fairly steep roads. I'm wondering whether dropping from six to four gears will become problematic and not offer enough variance in gearing? Any thoughts? Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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31st Jul 2023 5:39am |
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| The Gribbin Member Since: 25 Mar 2022 Location: Tewkesbury Posts: 32
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I've got a TD5, so not sure about the 6 speed... Dave at Ashcrofts is your man
 , and there's some good info on their website.
I guess you need to compare ratios on the gears you use the most... as I understand it the ratios on the Puma are quite close? To keep the 6th gear ratio you could go for a transfer box ratio change... I've got a 1.2:1 as opposed to 1.4 standard, and that has made for a much calmer cruise on the A roads. I also went for a slightly larger torque converter, which should make better use of the slight tune I have on the TD5. Dave has an Puma auto demonstrator, so you can try before you buy  ... not too many mountains in Bedfordshire though!? |
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31st Jul 2023 9:17am |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 662
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Not really fair but in my X545e on a dead flat battery I can achieve 32mpg at 80mph / 38mpg at 65mph. So 40mpg at 55mph would be possible. |
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31st Jul 2023 1:48pm |
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