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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1117  
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66237935
Jaguar Land Rover-owner Tata will announce plans to build its flagship electric car battery factory in the UK. People familiar with the matter said the new plant in Somerset would be officially announced on Wednesday. The government is providing subsidies worth hundreds of millions of pounds, sources said. Some in the car industry have described the plant as the most important investment in UK automotive since Nissan came to Britain in the 1980s. The investment could lead to the creation of up to 9,000 jobs in the Bridgwater area. But its significance lies in the boost it will give to the sector as it transitions from petrol and diesel to making electric vehicles. The government has been criticised for lacking a clear industrial strategy and falling behind the US and EU in attracting investment in low-carbon technologies. Some industry insiders hope that the Tata battery investment will open the door to further battery investments in the UK. The UK currently only has one plant in operation next to Nissan's Sunderland factory, and one barely on the drawing board in Northumberland. Another proposed battery manufacturer, in the north east of England, Britishvolt, went into administration earlier this year. By contrast the EU has 35 plants open, under construction or planned. |
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18th Jul 2023 4:57pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4660 
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I saw that announcement though I doubt if it will be up and running to help with the no ICE cars in 2030.
Do the people driving EV cars because they are emissions "free" not understand how much emissions will be emitted while building this plant? Site clearance alone will use a lot of diesel then there's the concrete and cement used in it's construction both of which put out emissions during manufacture. All of this has to be transported by..diesel powered trucks. Once completed the raw materials have to be mined processed and shipped all so that someone can say they have a "green" car. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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19th Jul 2023 2:52pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2636  
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Shame that they have to fleece the tax payer again to build these projects……
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19th Jul 2023 4:16pm |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1017  
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I wonder if the builder of this factory will start to cross out the JLR order list, just like JLR do to their customers.
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19th Jul 2023 4:57pm |
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| haymeister Member Since: 24 May 2021 Location: Saitama Posts: 266 
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Tim - Concur 100% with you here.
Mrs drives a BMW i3 as her commute is 3 miles, and the kids extra-curricular activities are within a 5 mile radius. The i3 is the OG with its lightweight CFRP frame, and ridiculous 9.8m turning circle. We're charging off solar panels as well which is an efficiency/cost bonus. With the way the world is going, it makes no sense if (and I recognise it's a big if) you have the means to have a 2nd car to do short commutes with an ICE vehicle; most of the time the engine/fluids don't even get up to temp. I had to do a short trip in Hulk san... 4.5 miles got me 18mpg  (38 degrees in Tokyo with the aircon blasting doesn't help the least) 22MY Defender 110 D300 S in Pangea Green and Contrast White Roof
IG defender_japan "Hulk san" |
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20th Jul 2023 2:40am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Haymeister - my Defender is a D250 - it takes 2 miles longer to warm up than my D240 did and what you say about short distance trips (a 4.5 miles each run to the nearest Post Office and Pharmacy) which is ideal for EV, I’m not even seeing 20 mpg going there in the D250. The Mini doesn’t need to warm anything (except me in winter) and is doing >180mpgE on that run and as 50% of the trip is downhill on the way home it’s coasting or regenerating energy back to the battery and not using any fuel. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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20th Jul 2023 8:11am |
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| Leamreject Member Since: 19 Dec 2020 Location: Middle Earth - Leamington Spa Posts: 970  
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Why don’t they invest in synthetic fuel and forget this short term smoke screen that they call a solution
 Ride like you stole it!!
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20th Jul 2023 9:05am |
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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1117
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all this 'world evolving' nonsense, is just another Y2K event.!!! (for the youngsters, ask your dad)
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20th Jul 2023 9:14am |
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| tonyp Member Since: 03 Feb 2023 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 83
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The government will need to revisit the deadline anyway - Europe has now moved to 2035 and agreed to include synthetic fuels in the green strategy.
UK is kidding itself that we will have the charging infrastructure, including the ability to generate enough electric for the chargers by 2030, so deadline will have to move - they just don't have the guts to admit it yet. Hopefully by then common sense will prevail and we start seriously considering other technologies, including hydrogen and alternative fuels. |
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20th Jul 2023 10:59am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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We have an adequate charging network, no denying it needs to get better but one of the biggest problems now is that there lots and lots of shiney new charging sites that National Grid won’t / cannot connect up to the grid and the charge place operators need a rocket to maintain their chargers - Tesla can do it and a couple of CPO’s can do it but some of the biggest operators leave broken chargers often weeks before they repair them. why am I not surprised that some of the worst offenders are the big oil companies………. A high powered charger isn’t a cheap piece of kit, how can they afford to have it not earning for weeks on end?
How many chargers do we need? this is the coverage provided by ONE operator within 50 miles of me And there are Tesla chargers, BP Pulse, Shell, Osprey, FastNed and more other operators. The numbers in the circles are the number of chargers in an area, what you cannot see is if they are slow, fast, rapid, ultra or hyper fast units. I have a home charger that is 7kW and will fully charge the Mini in 4.5 hours from empty to 100% (something only an idiot would do) normal I just top up the battery while I sleep. My next door neighbors have a car with a 77kW battery, they home charge too but also have access to chargers at work, they rarely need to use public chargers even with a less efficient car with a big battery.  Click image to enlarge Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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20th Jul 2023 11:37am |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1017
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Towing a larger "tin tent" in an EV, is a different ball game.
Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200 Puma 90 XS - Sold D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold) Freelander 2 HSE - Sold Freelander 1 - Sold Disco 2 - Sold |
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20th Jul 2023 11:55am |
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| tonyp Member Since: 03 Feb 2023 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 83
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Tim, Scotland is better catered for than the UK norm - the map from gov.uk shows a scattered approach which needs to be up a geared up significantly. Northern Ireland is terrible.
In built up areas, especially where large number of homes have no off-street parking solutions need to found (such as using lamp posts to host chargers). Click image to enlarge |
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20th Jul 2023 12:26pm |
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| stevemfr Member Since: 18 Sep 2022 Location: Strasbpurg Posts: 137 
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All well and good in this discussion - except for the part where the green-ness of changing to electric in general is portrayed as questionable.
Is everything perfect right now? No. Does the production of electric cars produce CO2 and other pollutants? Yes. But both are getting better - AND if you count the entire life cycle of an ICE vehicle vs electric, e wins in almost every country. And that will also change for the better. E-fuels? Niche / stop-gap measure. Aviation will likely be dependent on e-fuels for some time to come and that's ok. In general, even economies of scale are not going to bring e-fuels to a price where we'll all want them. And the argument with the diesel being used by bulldozers building a factory... :triple-knock-out-facepalm: What gets to me is, this factory WILL be built, and this news is 2023. The oldest Tesla Model S are over a decade by now. :quintuple-double-knock-out-facepalm:
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20th Jul 2023 8:21pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1782 
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I don't understand how British Volt can be allowed to go bust, but the tax paying (PAYE) plebs now will have to subsidise electric power packs for luxury vehicles they will probably have no chance or opportunity to own?
Using tax money to help an independent factory who can supply to all the manufacturers makes sense to me, to a luxury car manufacturer doesn't;t. Keith |
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21st Jul 2023 2:50pm |
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