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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1110  
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And where does Japan's Hydrogen come from ........... Australia !!!
Shipped by water in huge vessels carrying massive cylinders. "Earlier this year, Japan and Australia opened a joint project in the state of Victoria to turn a type of coal called lignite, or brown coal, into hydrogen. The hydrogen is then liquified to minus 253C, then piped into a specially built ship which carries it to Japan." Last edited by LR Nuts on 1st Jun 2023 11:07am. Edited 1 time in total |
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1st Jun 2023 10:21am |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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synthetic fuels will cover most of our needs I would bet.
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1st Jun 2023 10:57am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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At what cost to your wallet though?
I’ve just made a 51 mile round trip from rural Trossachs through Glasgow to Braehead and back, averaged 5.1 miles per kWh which gives a petrol equivalent of 204mpgE and, and as my solar panels used to charge it up yesterday are now cost recovered, that was not just emissions free but also cost free……… OK so it wasn’t a Land Rover PHEV but a Mini Cooper S E but had I had a new £105000 RRS PHEV I could have possibly made the trip bar the last few miles in pure electric mode, the Mini suits my single person electrified shopping trolley, very zippy skateboard to a T! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 1st Jun 2023 12:30pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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1st Jun 2023 12:23pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2634  
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The biggest natural resource on the planet….are tax payers.
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1st Jun 2023 12:28pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4655 
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1st Jun 2023 2:12pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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TeslaBjorn has been driving the Mirai on various test roads he uses for a week and here is his rather long summary video (40 minutes long!) but it is worth watching to the end to see how the infrastructure is vastly more expensive to install, the cost of the fuel is about double and the efficiency of the fuel (or as one commentator calls it in the remarks/comments - Fool ) cell is not very good. While the refueling act itself is fast the delivery plant is very restricted in the number of cars it can fill up in a compressing/decompressing cycle - approx 5 cars then the plant has to shut down to turn enough liquid hydrogen back to gas. Most interesting is the bit where he visits the Oslo Bus Co depot and compares the cost of building their electric charge hub to the cost of building a hydrogen station.
Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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6th Jun 2023 8:39am |
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| Ads90 Member Since: 16 Jun 2008 Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds Posts: 809  
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I havn't watched the vid yet, but I think we can safely say that hydrogen is not going to be practical for passenger cars, aside from everything else the inefficiencies of production of green hydrogen mean it shouldn't even be considered.
It's not going to be piped to your house to replace gas either, for that reason and because it can't go down the existing pipe network. It may be some use for heavy vehicles, plant or shipping, where electric isn't yet viable. |
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6th Jun 2023 12:34pm |
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