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party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Cairns Blue

Wheel bearing - sense check please

Folks,

2 wheel bearing questions ...

1) Is ANY vertical play on a wheel when you rock it to check the bearing acceptable ? To my mind the answer to this is always no but I'd appreciate a sense check in case Defenders are different.

2) Typically does a new Defender bearing take a little time to bed in and then potentially require a little adjustment ? My only other experience of wheel bearings is on MG's which typically do require a little adjusting following replacement.

Reason I ask is that my ns front wheel baring was replaced a couple of weeks ago, and this weekend, I decided to check the other three. All where rock solid and then out of curiosity I checked the ns front and there was a little bit of vertical play.

Logic says if the other three are solid then so should the replacement but always good to check/learn so I can go back to the garage

Cheers, Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

16th May 2011 7:49am

BigMike

Member Since: 13 Jul 2010
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 2253

No and no

16th May 2011 9:20am

party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

Muchos gracias Mike

Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

16th May 2011 10:40am

party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

Resurrecting this post as getting a little suspicious about the NSF wheel bearing again.....

Out of the blue on the journey to work this morning, seemed to be excessive road noise.

Just jacked up all four corners in turn in the office car park (much to amusement of the smokers!). No play on any of the wheels when rocked vertically but the NSF wheel when spun appears to make a slight 'clonk' on every rotation.

Could this be a sign of a problem with the bearing again?

She's due in to my local indy for a service early next week anyway, so it's been added to the list for investigation. Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

12th Oct 2011 12:25pm

Dave-H

Member Since: 08 Feb 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1507

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Tonga Green

Well something is definetely 'not right' on the n/s/f corner.
could be bearing, or any other component there [swivel/hub/ wheel mounting etc]

Best to get it checked asap ... Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant.

12th Oct 2011 4:42pm

party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

Cheers Dave,

Deffo something not right as the road noise 'roar' appears more pronounced again this evening and if anything there is a little wander in the steering ..... or this could just be my heightened sensitivity to what's perfectly normal and I'm looking for problems.....

Still, she's going in next Tuesday and I've no major need to use her in the meantime..... I feel a couple of days of 'working' from home coming on

Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

12th Oct 2011 6:05pm

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Havana

i had a very similar problem on a 300, it turned out to be the top swivel bearing was knackered? BM52

12th Oct 2011 7:34pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8136

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

if the play is just in the vertical plane but not in the horizontal plane then its likely to be swivel pin wear. most likley and best case is adjust the top preload on the kingpin, worse case bottom bearing failure.

if the play is in all planes ie 3 & 9, 4 & 10, 12 &6 etc etc then wheel bearing needs adjustment.

the new ones have a use once spacer that the out nut is torqued against. it may not of had the correct torque applied. or change them back to the old style two nuts and fold down washer - easier to maintain if wheel bearing issue is a problem. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

13th Oct 2011 10:51pm

noworries4x4

Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
Location: Newton Abbot Devon
Posts: 1195

If you have just had one changed the outer bearing race might not have been pressed fully home in the hub and it has now settled home and now needs adjusting up again. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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13th Oct 2011 11:13pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17516

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

jst wrote:
the new ones have a use once spacer that the out nut is torqued against. it may not of had the correct torque applied. or change them back to the old style two nuts and fold down washer - easier to maintain if wheel bearing issue is a problem.

The new ones should be torqued to (if I recall correctly) 150lbft and the sacrificial nut staked. Not long after I bought my '07 I found that both rear hubs were loose and the nuts had clearly not been tightened correctly (or the hub had been assembled with the bearings improperly seated). There is no evidence at all that the hubs had been dissembled since leaving the factory, so I wonder if there was a 'Friday' problem with some vehicles.

I also suspect that some mechanics may not know that these should be so tight and may use the old tighten-until- there's-no-play approach that applied in the double nut & tabwasher days.

14th Oct 2011 8:51am

party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

party monkey wrote:
Cheers Dave,

Deffo something not right as the road noise 'roar' appears more pronounced again this evening and if anything there is a little wander in the steering ..... or this could just be my heightened sensitivity to what's perfectly normal and I'm looking for problems.....

Still, she's going in next Tuesday and I've no major need to use her in the meantime..... I feel a couple of days of 'working' from home coming on

Turned out to be slight play in the swivel joint. Nothing too drastic to make it dangerous (their words!) but certainly needs attending to sooner rather than later.

Indy didn't have time or indeed the parts to fix today, so she's re-booked for next week.

Thanks to all for your input

Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

18th Oct 2011 6:56pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8136

as above then!

glad they found the issue.

if you had replied with to above, we could of talked you through it! Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

18th Oct 2011 8:49pm

party monkey

Member Since: 31 Dec 2010
Location: Oxon.
Posts: 1311

jst wrote:
as above then!

glad they found the issue.

if you had replied with to above, we could of talked you through it!

Cheers James, appreciate the offer but you forget you are talking to a mechanical numpty

Indy also mentioned that the seal had gone too and there was talk of why shims wouldn't work in this case etc etc... At that point my eyes had already glazed over and I uttered those eight magic words.

'How much and when can you do it'

They're a decent indy with a good solid reputation locally (used them before too, always very good) so I'm totally cool with letting them sort it. Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.

18th Oct 2011 9:56pm

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