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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753  
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I’ve just specced up a 110 P400e HSE to the same options as the 90 D250 HSE that I have on order and the PHEV price today is £86000 compared to the £72000 the ordered 90 will cost.
I also run a Mini Cooper S E (the fully electric one) which has become my main car instead of the D240 First Edition 110 I have now that spends a lot of time on my drive. I’m lucky that where I live I have free public fast charging for EVs and PHEVs so my year old Mini has cost £24.50 in paid for charging on my home charger in the last 12 months ( I try to use public charging as it’s free though!) and has covered 6800 miles. Charging isn’t the hassle the anti EV brigade makes out - go shopping and plug the car in while you are away from it and you rarely charge from 40-90% let alone the 10-80% unless you are road tripping and I use the Defender for that as Mini EV range is on average 110 miles in winter more in summer) For the price difference of the Defender p400e over the D250 you could buy yourself a used Hyundai E Kona or eSoul, a late plate Renault Zoe (although the Euro NCAP rating is dire for them) that will have far greater range than any PHEV, have no VED to pay and lower running costs with minimal servicing needed for EVs. The Mini BEV is a flawed but brilliant EV - the flaw is the small 28.9 usable kWhr battery but that means less time on chargers (but you need to top up more often )but scary fast acceleration and brilliant handling. It also is extremely efficient with its fuel. I have averaged 4.5 miles per kwhr over a year, that is a petrol equivalent to approx 170mpg, there are very few EVs that can match that, I believe only the Tesla M3 or MY get better efficiency but they also have 2.5 times the size of battery) Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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2nd Nov 2022 10:58am |
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| Zeplin000 Member Since: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Uk Posts: 38 |
Maybe my maths is flawed but when I worked it out the cost to charge a p400e defender is 35p per kWh * 19.5 kWh battery size = £6.80 app for my current electricity tarrif. If it does 27 miles maximum in electric mode that’s 25p per mile. After it uses its battery it’s less efficient that a diesel.
A D250 will do 27p per mile assuming £1.90 per litre of diesel and 30mpg. What am I missing? |
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2nd Nov 2022 11:56am |
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| Zeplin000 Member Since: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Uk Posts: 38 |
Sorry that was a bit off topic - was just wanting to establish if a phev actually makes sense compared to diesel now. A bigger battery in the defender would be good but not sure how it would save much at current diesel/electricity prices unless you can charge cheaply as Tim says.
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2nd Nov 2022 11:58am |
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| Ritson Member Since: 11 Apr 2021 Location: France Posts: 183 
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The fact that a combustion engine is constantly running and consuming fuel even when power to drivetrain is not required (ie coasting / braking / going downhill) whereas an electric engine is not. Provided you get your head around the change of driving style required you can greatly increase the effective range on battery only. For example, coming off the power and coasting up to a junction using the regenerative braking to slow the vehicle instead of waiting until you have to apply brakes to slow down. Remember, every metre you coast is costing zero fuel, indeed its actually putting fuel back into the car. I have a regular journey which is just over 70km round trip. I can do this entirely on electric if I pay attention to driving style. It also comes into its own if you do a lot of driving in slow moving traffic, which guzzles fuel but does not seem to impact battery range too much when in electric mode. I also find the constant start/stop of an ICE a real pain in heavy traffic, obviously this isn't the case when running on electric. Current: MY22 P400e SE Prior: Discovery Sport HSE, Jaguar F-Type S, Discovery 3, RR Vogue |
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2nd Nov 2022 12:59pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 661 
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Price. I pay 7.5p kWh. Also other vehicles are a little better on miles / kWh than the Defender. Hence if I had the Defender (I don't I have the BMW), I wouldn't bother fast charging / paying whilst out and about. |
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2nd Nov 2022 5:41pm |
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| DAP2022 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Norfolk Posts: 120
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i wish you could get a 350e - electric hybrid and the 250 3 litre diesel engine - tootle around with electric then when battery runs out 30mpg + diesel with 100 extra electric horses for occasional quick acceleration.
proper energy regeneration (rather than MEHV) with the diesel would be great. I think mercedes do a hybrid diesel car , |
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2nd Nov 2022 5:42pm |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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That would be my wish. 30mpg out of the diesel for long runs and my local journeys are never more than 25 miles so a battery for just that would be perfect.
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18th Jan 2023 1:10pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 661
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I can get 38mpg out of the 3.0L petrol BMW on a flat battery...... if I went real eco, maybe into the 40s.
Even legging it back out of London and blasting back down the M3 resulted in 32mpg on a totally flat battery, and I wasn't hanging around  |
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18th Jan 2023 1:18pm |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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PJM, that is an impressive MPG figure
 I drive smoothly but would prefer a Defender. |
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19th Jan 2023 1:27pm |
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