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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3428  
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Yeah I think it’ll be good for a few years yet, still can’t beat one for range. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
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20th Oct 2022 9:26pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074 
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What’s going to be the difference in mpg between then vs the cost of the new one? I’m currently getting 600 miles a tank out of my 110 TD5
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20th Oct 2022 9:54pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2948 
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My 110 TD5 does around 26mpg. On the last fill up l drive carefully and got 28mpg
The best l've ever got was 32mpg driving across Spain at around 55mph l've no idea how you get 600 miles from a tank with one of these, everything has been checked on mine and it's all fine. Our 2006 90 TD5 (bought new) did around 28mpg but the 90 is a bit more economical than the 110. Fuel tank capacity on the TD5 110 is 75 litres, which means to get 600 miles you'd need to be doing close to 40mpg, unless yours has the long range tank which holds 90 litres. ln that case you're getting around 30mpg which is probably achievable |
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21st Oct 2022 7:31am |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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It’s probably helped that it very rarely sees over 40mph at the moment, i keep a mileage log every time i fill up to check for running issues. Combined driving where i go is about 50mph max and that usually gives me 550 miles a tank.
If I’m using the motor way i will see about 500 miles to a tank, is vastly improved form the 400 it did when i got it. I replaced the injector loom, rebuild the FPR and cleaned the whole loom as best i could then did the ECU and plug. |
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21st Oct 2022 7:55am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2948
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Yes that will do it!
I am still debating whether to take the offer of £25,000 for my 2005 Defender 110 and buy the new one. The current situation with diesel prices is a concern though, if it carries on.  Click image to enlarge |
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21st Oct 2022 12:16pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2655  
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Diesel.
Once you are used to the fuel range, low down torque, low revs and the fact that the MHEV is amazingly quiet I think that you would get fed up with petrol. When were we looking to upgrade my wifes D240 Velar we tried the PHEV, and it was impressive. But, after a few days we came to the conclusion that it only really sold on the combined petrol electric acceleration. The EV only range wasn’t enough to get her to work and back (no charging at work), on petrol only it was gutless because of the addition weight it has to carry, and for the money that would be super annoying paying for something you start to hate. Especially as the difference in price pays for a shed load of diesel. When on petrol it was only returning 30/33 mph up against the MHEV that does 40/45 mph just by driving normally. A week after my wife picked up her car the salesman phoned me up and lent me a MHEV 90 for half a day to play with. I loved it, it’s was effortless and a world away from my 90 TD5. The only other thing to think of is Adblue. That has gone up in price in the last couple of months. Normally 19.99 for 10l. Now it is £25 on Amazon. I normally wait until the car says it needs more that a 10l fill up then I just it and put the whole lot in. If you can add your own screen wash you can top up your own adblue without paying the dealer. For the Velar it is approx 5k at the point I refill it. I hope some of that helps. One other thing. Back in March as prices started to creep up, I filled three Jerry cans with diesel. You can’t do that with petrol….  |
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21st Oct 2022 12:49pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3428
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Tidy looking Defender though
 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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21st Oct 2022 8:54pm |
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| USCG23 Member Since: 14 Jan 2025 Location: Arizona Posts: 11 
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If you’re in the United States you avoid diesel at all costs plus the resale values are absolutely atrocious because nobody wants diesel here. Just an fyi. Other countries may be a different story. 23 LBW/Urban Defender X 20 Velar Autobiography |
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11th Feb 2025 2:42am |
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| jim4244 Member Since: 13 Apr 2014 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 851 
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USCG23 - In the UK and Europe diesels have been very popular since the late 1980's, when various countries governments told us all that diesel was the fuel of the future! There was a massive swing towards diesels as a result, especially when it came to 4X4's and larger cars.
Diesels have always commanded a premium price and are still sought after. When the 200TDi Defender was launched, followed by the 300TDi, TD5 and lastly the TD4 Puma engines the only petrol engine Defenders (if I'm not mistaken) were V8 petrol special editions. Presently We own 3 cars and all are diesels. Jim |
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11th Feb 2025 6:22am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1144  
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Diesel has already and will be and more made the scapegoat for all societies ills by the woke brigade. The modern diesel is already much more complex and fragile than petrol and the development efforts are all going into electric and (petrol) hybrid.
If you are in the market for a new car I would go for petrol hybrid just based on expected residual value. For Diesel I would go used and depending on location if possible I would avoid the regen/AdBlue versions (not sure if that exists in new defender land) for simplicity and (hopefully) lower maintenance cost. |
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11th Feb 2025 8:22am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20613
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Diesel, the life is a lot longer and better MPG gains.
Unless petrol (gas) the engine is a decent CC, then I’m no fan. I really don’t care for small engine petrol, they are just gutless and boring. Of course you’ll have a bias here, but personally petrol under 2L I just have little time for. That’s likely why the US does like gas, but diesel is popular there too especially in the south. But the gas models are V8’s, and similar and not little 1.1’s. Etc.  Chillin In The Backwoods🇬🇧🇺🇸
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11th Feb 2025 6:46pm |
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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 215
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The hybrid defender is a peach I have to admit. I had one for a week before deciding to get the diesel
The integration between battery and engine is sublime. Nice torquey off the line in total silence. Then the engine kiks in, not much noise. Refined. Plug in overnight. Never managed to get more than 12/15 miles off the battery. Day 3 couldn’t be bothered any ore to plug it in. Day 4/5/6 mpg down to 18mpg. Day 7 mpg up to 20. 3 litre diesel still return 18/20 mpg when cold and short journey. However the real mpg is 28/30 and longer distances with trailer still return the same mileage. So to my driving pattern still make sense Diesel. And it’s not as complex as the Hybrid is. So far the difference between petrol and diesel is still 8/10 pence. |
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11th Feb 2025 7:55pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3564 
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If you are doing good mileage at a constant speed, there is nothing wrong with Diesel in the short term.
If you are doing start stop driving around town, I would steer clear like the plague. You know it will end up in tears and a hefty bill for EGR / DPF issues. I believe that Diesel will, and petrol engined vehicles will follow, be priced off the road. Be that with road fund licence, duty on fuel, a combination of both or a stampede of green protestors baying for your blood  I could never see the day Leaded Four Star would be discontinued but if you remember back that far, it just disappeared.
When that day comes is anyones guess. It is a bit of a lottery buying diesels because they are really going out of fashion as more people would rather buy petrols on the second hand market and not diesels (I get that many people who want 4x4's of any kind are going to accept the diesel engine for all of the reasons in the posts above), but sooner or later, we are going to get hounded off the road, whether that is the right reason or not. We also could end up with Nigel Farage or another ultra right wing prime minister who decides he quite likes the internal combustion engine and puts a stop to all new electric charging points, and ramps up oil production in the North Sea. That is essentially what Trump has done in America. I guess that will only be a short term change for his presidential term? Personally, I don't think I will ever buy another Diesel which I find kind of sad because I think they have been demonised by the big car companies and their dodgy reporting and advertising. |
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11th Feb 2025 8:36pm |
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| Clemmo Member Since: 03 Aug 2012 Location: Mile Oak Posts: 1231 
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I would still buy a new Diesel today.
Best workhorse engine no doubt. For sure many are pushing “ Green” alternatives but not for me. As long as I can exercise choice I will be in a straight 6 Diesel
( we have purchased and tried electric cars. Porsche Taycan…superb car but devalued £45k in 2 years. Mini Cooper, great town car but range reduced from 140miles to 90 miles in 2 years… How is this “Green”?…Never again) Make today a little better than yesterday but not so good as tomorrow.... Defender 90 HT............Pangea Green BMW X3 Msport............Carbon Black Mini Electric................Grey. (wow!) MGB Roadster……..........Vermillion 17k miles Honda Benly CD200....Maroon --------McLouis Fusio........7.4m of fun |
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11th Feb 2025 8:44pm |
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