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Ali130



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Eating water pumps
Td5 130 2004
Over the past 12 months the engine has been eating water pumps and overheating.
Now on the 3rd pump, blades look like they are dissolving.
First time it blew the top hose so had a new stat, thermostat and rad.
Tested the coolant and is ph neutral. Garage is positive its not the head gasket
When overheating its pressurising the header tank and forcing the coolant out.
Happened again last Thursday, hole in one of the core plugs.
Anyone have a clue as to what is eating the engine.
Everyone I have talked to is scratching their head, no idea what is causing this.
Cheers.
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rallysteve



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green
Have the garage confirmed that there are not combustion gases/products in the coolant system? 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread
Post #959708 27th Jul 2022 1:16pm
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geobloke



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Re: Eating water pumps
Ali130 wrote:
Td5 130 2004
Over the past 12 months the engine has been eating water pumps and overheating.
Now on the 3rd pump, blades look like they are dissolving.
First time it blew the top hose so had a new stat, thermostat and rad.
Tested the coolant and is ph neutral. Garage is positive its not the head gasket
When overheating its pressurising the header tank and forcing the coolant out.
Happened again last Thursday, hole in one of the core plugs.
Anyone have a clue as to what is eating the engine.
Everyone I have talked to is scratching their head, no idea what is causing this.
Cheers.


When everything is back together run it up to temp, have a look in the expansion tank for tiny bubbles. You may need a torch. My garage was positive that it wasn't the head gasket as well. In the end in a fit of frustration I used a test kit by DrHeadgasket... Positive for combustion gasses... When I took the head off the gasket was just, just stained through to the water channel. It was enough however to pressurise the coolant system and cause the coolant to explode out of the pressure cap on the A55 near Colwyn Bay.

https://www.drheadgasket.co.uk/COMBUSTION-...DGASKET-UK

It is a sensitive tester but you may need someone to press the accelerator pedal to get enough gas in to the expansion tank whilst keeping the tester sealed in the tank.

Odd that the pump blades are eroding though. What brand did you fit and what coolant did you use?
Post #959711 27th Jul 2022 1:27pm
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Ali130



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No exhaust gases present.
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geobloke



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Have you personally tested the coolant for exhaust gasses? or was it your garage? Excuse the question, over the years I have an utter distrust of garages Rolling Eyes

If the coolant system is not over heating, so not over-pressurising due to it then the only other cause is a foreign fluid or gas being injected/sucked in to the system to eventually over-pressurise the coolant system. That being the case it is either exhaust gasses or air being drawn in to the coolant system via another seal or plug.

Have you tested your expansion cap opening pressure?
How is the large screw plug under the exhaust manifold, these do spring leaks and might allow air to be drawn in too.

If these are all A-OK then I would be taking the head off as it is the only other thing that could cause the over-pressurisation. Using it as an excuse to do the injector seals etc.
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rallysteve



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green
As it is a 15P engine bear in mind that a crack in the EGR cooler can also pressurise the coolant via exhaust gas too. 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread
Post #959760 27th Jul 2022 7:58pm
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geobloke



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Absolutely right Steve. I had forgotten about that as I have removed mine. I suppose it would be the same with the fuel heater as well... Those o-rings flattening... Thumbs Up
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I had a problem with an overheating Range Rover - and eventually that was traced to a blocked oil pickup pipe - which was causing the top of the engine to be starved of oil, thus overheating and massively heating up the coolant as a result. The effect was to pressurise the coolant system to a degree where it would blow the top hose off! ----------------------------------------------
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