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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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So on the back of previous press reports and statements by Grenadier, including:
"There appears to be a general recognition by governments that a move to zero emission vehicles is essential for meeting their climate and air quality goals. Some have set target dates for introducing legal bans on the sale of internal combustion engines within the next ten to twenty years. The Company is addressing this issue by exploring potential zero emission solutions for its off-road vehicle and it recently completed a successful Innovate UK.funded feasibility study into the potential use of Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology." [Annual Report] It's just been announced Ineos Automotive and Hyundai signed a memorandum of understanding ‘to explore together new opportunities in the hydrogen economy’. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/a...ROGEN.html So we could be seeing one of these under the bonnet in the future:  Click image to enlarge "The agreement also includes the evaluation of Hyundai’s proprietary fuel cell system for the recently announced INEOS Grenadier 4x4 vehicle. This cooperation represents an important step in INEOS’ efforts to diversify its powertrain options at an early stage. Hyundai’s proprietary modular fuel cell system, which evaluation vehicles will use, has already proven reliable and effective in the Hyundai NEXO SUV. The world’s first dedicated hydrogen-powered SUV has the longest driving range among hydrogen-powered vehicles in the market. Hyundai is one of leading company in the field of fuel cell technology having started the world’s first mass production of fuel cell electric vehicles in 2013." https://www.ineos.com/news/ineos-group/ine...y-forward/ |
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23rd Nov 2020 6:27am |
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| jim4244 Member Since: 13 Apr 2014 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 773  
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So let me get this straight. A couple of guys go for a beer one night in a pub called “The Grenadier”. After 5 or 6 pints of Stella one says “I’ve got a good idea. Let’s build a 4X4 that looks a bit like a Land Rover Defender but is reliable, safe and built really well” His buddy, who has now done a couple of shots, shouts “Great! Let’s do it!”
Even though neither has ever built a car they raise funding and a couple of years later roll out a decent looking car that gets people all over the world very, very excited! Then, even before the first production run is started, they start to explore future fuel sources. They turn away from the hallowed electric power option and instead look straight to hydrogen. Meanwhile Land Rover build a new Defender. Chuck a 4 pot diesel (with questionable reliability?) in it. They then cross their fingers and hope for the best. They then decide that the 4 pot is not up to the job so decide to chuck their newly developed and unproven 6 pot in it. They then cross their fingers and hope for the best. At Land Rover HQ there is not even a whiff of hydrogen.......... Is the above about right? Jim |
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23rd Nov 2020 8:11am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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Is that you Sir Jim
 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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23rd Nov 2020 8:14am |
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| jim4244 Member Since: 13 Apr 2014 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 773
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I wish!
Jim |
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23rd Nov 2020 8:23am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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In a word no ~ Project Zeus. JLR are taking Govt. funding and are involved in various projects, including hydrogen. It's an issue that they have no real expertise in the field, unlike Ineos on the fuel side and Hyundai on the engine side. |
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23rd Nov 2020 8:28am |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2144 
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a cynic might suggest that this news and their current TV advertising campaign is aimed at deflecting criticism from their other apparently less wholesome industrial activities??
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23rd Nov 2020 9:44am |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283
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Is a hydrogen engine still an internal combustion engine?
If so, announcement of the death of the ICE would seem to be premature. |
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23rd Nov 2020 5:42pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3265 
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Bingo! WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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23rd Nov 2020 5:53pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It can be but this tech is a fuel cell so different. |
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23rd Nov 2020 6:25pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Seems they are winding up production slowly
"HTWO Guangzhou, aims to produce 6,500 fuel cell systems per year, increasing capacity in line with market demand" Hyundai says it aims to complete the project, to be built in the Guangzhou development district of Guangdong Province, China, in the second half of 2022. Facilities on the 207,000 sq. m site will include a fuel cell system plant and an innovation centre. Click image to enlarge “The establishment of HTWO Guangzhou marks an important starting point for Hyundai Motor Group’s dedicated fuel cell system brand HTWO,” chairman Euisun Chung said. As part of the OEM’s mid- to long-term hydrogen roadmap ‘Fuel Cell Vision 2030’, In 2018, Hyundai Motor Group announced plans to expand its supply capacity to 700,000 hydrogen fuel cell systems annually by 2030. Hyundai has been expanding its fuel cell powered vehicle range since introducing its first mass-produced fuel cell electric vehicle, the ix35, in 2013. New editions to the range include the NEXO SUV, XCIENT Fuel Cell heavy-duty truck and a fuel cell electric bus." https://www.automotivemanufacturingsolutio...27.article |
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2nd Mar 2021 6:03pm |
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| Avelingporter Member Since: 25 Jan 2016 Location: Southampton Posts: 405
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What you have to remember is that a waste by-product of Sir Jim’s chemical industrial processes....is....wait for it.....hydrogen! So win win for him. Zero emission vehicles using a waste product that someone now pays for, clever eh !!??
Plus for 3rd world countries you can tanker in hydrogen, but building a electric distribution grid is not so easy. BEV’s are for the urban environment, hydrogen is the future for off grid, HGVs etc. |
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2nd Mar 2021 8:36pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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This seems a clever solution from Toyota.
"A 'crate' fuel cell module you can use for anything" Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge https://newatlas.com/energy/toyota-fuel-cell-module/ |
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3rd Mar 2021 1:44pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Well I had thought (or hoped) JLR would be the first in UK to reveal a mainstream hydrogen vehicle through Project Zeus, but it looks like Vauxhall may have been them to it: Click image to enlarge https://gb-media.vauxhall.co.uk/en-gb/05-1...=118943924 |
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18th May 2021 12:28pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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"Jaguar Land Rover has revealed its 'Project Zeus' plans for hydrogen fuel cell powertrains for its hulking 4X4s It has confirmed testing of a prototype hydrogen Defender which produces only water that is drinkable Further evaluations will be carried out in 2021 with the intention to have production models before 2030 The hydrogen-electric Zeus project is part funded by the pioneering and government-backed Advanced Propulsion Centre based at Warwick University Jaguar Land Rover is stepping on the gas with a new hydrogen-fuelled electric 4X4, the British car maker has announced this morning. The zero-emissions prototype Defender uses the hydrogen in a fuel-cell chemical reaction to generate electricity which then powers electric motors to drive the wheels of the off-roader. The only bi-product from the exhaust is water so pure you can drink it. The project confirms that the British marque looks set to follow rival 4X4 maker Ineos Automotive, which has said its 'green' version of the forthcoming Grenadier offroader will be hydrogen electric rather than using heavy battery packs. Codenamed 'Project Zeus' - after the ruling god of thunder and lightning - JLR aims to disarm critics who condemn large 4X4s and SUVs for being 'gas guzzlers' by creating a green vehicle off-road vehicle that really does guzzle gas – but in the cleanest possible way with no harmful environmental side effects. Testing begins later this year with production models of fuel cell Land Rover Defender, Discovery and Range Rover potentially on the road within the decade. The new fuel-cell electric prototype is part of Jaguar Land Rover's aim to achieve zero tailpipe emissions by 2036, and net zero carbon emissions across its suppliers, products and operations by 2039. This in turn is part of the company's new 'Reimagine' electrification strategy for Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles announced last month by new chief executive Thierry Bolore A production model could be on sale within five years, given the rapid acceleration of electrified technology. Although too early for exact prices, there will be a premium for electric zero-emissions vehicles, so expect prices to star from around £65,000. The Government's £2,500 plug-in vehicle grant is capped at £35,000 so at this price it would not qualify. Prices for current range for Defender range are from £44,210 up to £101,220 for a powerful V8 110." Click image to enlarge https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/a...ender.html Last edited by Supacat on 26th Jan 2022 1:21pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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