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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Rear shock lower bush/washer set up
Aiming to replace the rear shocks today if it doesn't rain.
What is the correct order/set up of the washers and bushes
The washer and bush at base of the shock came like this from LR. I have added the bottom bush/washer & nut
1999 td5 110
Pic 1


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Bottom bush dome side down
Pic 2

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Bottom bush dome side up

The bottom washer looks to be the correct orientation according to the parts diagram i found but the diagram does show additional washers I don't have. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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dorsetsmith



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Pic 1 as long as you have two metal cups on axle ( but if you have no metal cups on axle lower bush are wrong type )

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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
Just a note on the top washers (chassis bracket end), the convex side of the washers should facing the bush. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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dorsetsmith



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^ Thumbs Up misted that





A first washer on and large hole the fit over shoulder but with flat side facing chasse ( B ) next with flat side facing out


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Ianh



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I have the cup setup on my axle as per the picture above and about to replace the lower bushes for first time so have a couple of questions I expect it’s easy to answer.

1.What’s the torque figure for that lower nut ( I’ve seen conflicting values)

2. is torque easy to apply with a standard socket or does the piston rod need to be held in place via the square section on the end to stop it rotating.

NB:if piston rod needs to be held in place I can resolve this by fitting a crows foot spanner at 90 degrees on my 1/2 norbar torque wrench, thereby maintaining correct torque application, but handy to know in advance so I can ensure I have the correct size crows foot with I/2 inch drive socket. I know I can do it by feel but given I have great torque wrenches I like to use them whenever I can.


Thx Ian
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dorsetsmith



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upper and lower 37Nm or 27lbf/ft
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excossack



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Thanks DS.

Your picture shows more washers than what I got with the shocks from Land Rover.?
I was looking at this diagram


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Confused now. Sad 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #928893 7th Nov 2021 12:03pm
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dorsetsmith



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with the early type rear shock and axle with out metal cups on axle you need the extra wash that locate the bush in to the axle


Early type lower rear shock bush





Used in Chassis VINs from VA998900 to WA159806 (1997 to 1998 MY) and your reg at the cross over point have seen early type axle used on later rages







red line show where axle mounting go in early bash and easher set up


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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
Part number for the shocks are different between early and later axle (as DS stated, for without and with cups spot welded to the axle respectively).
I believe the shocks for the early axles have a shorter stud. They also come with the extra washers that sandwich the axle bracket. IIRC the bushes are also different.

Pictures in 1st post show shocks for axles with cups.

Edit. DS is spot on Thumbs Up 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Cheers. I think its all starting to make sense now. Having a 99' Defender will give me the later axle.
Time to get the tools out. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Thanks all
Job all done. Less than an hour for both side. I had the axle type with the cups built in.
The car now has a less of a jelly like rear end. Lets see how she performs in the rough stuff next week on the Rally Nuts event in Hafren forest. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Ianh



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dorsetsmith wrote:
upper and lower 37Nm or 27lbf/ft


Thanks DS
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Those figures differ from the Haynes manual. ? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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