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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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Works perfectly and an interesting read... 
You don't have to get far into the Guide to find the answers, even if the answers are somewhat surprising - who takes axle stands on an off-road trip?.
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24th Sep 2021 8:43am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Buyers expect auto-release, auto-engagement, hill-hold etc, removing the physical lever and connections frees up a lot of space internally for other stuff, it saves weight, it can’t be partially engaged, it’s self-adjusting. There aren’t many new cars left with a manual one.
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24th Sep 2021 11:02am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17543 
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Just as I thought, a solution looking for a problem then.
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24th Sep 2021 11:58am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Bit like the electric starter motor?
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24th Sep 2021 11:58am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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What, like the axle stands now required to be carried? |
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24th Sep 2021 12:00pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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So if a cable-operated handbrake jammed, would the advice be to climb underneath and release it whilst the vehicle was on a jack? Or on axle stands? Or is this just another entirely pointless argument?
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24th Sep 2021 12:14pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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The point is that the EPB was not jammed but operating "normally".
Quite happy to crawl under mine to look at the handbrake without having to remove any wheels... it was designed that way
I'm wondering why JLR moved away from earlier cable release systems that just required removing a panel from the driver's seat, to a system requiring rear wheel removal (both sides), axles stands, and spanners; and then not to mention new O ring and bolts (sorry Sir they've been on backorder since...)... and a diagnostic tool to recalibrate. |
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24th Sep 2021 12:25pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I've seen the future... |
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24th Sep 2021 12:39pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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If it was operating normally then sticking a jump pack on would power up the solenoid - if your starter motor won't turn because the battery's flat, that's not the starter motor's fault. There must be millions of vehicles with motor-on-caliper EPBs, it's not novel or new technology to deal with - even Land Cruisers have EPBs now.
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24th Sep 2021 12:48pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4731 
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I was talking to a truck driver and he told me that the company had bought two Volvo tractor units. Second day out and one of them stopped and took up residence on the road. It had to be flat bedded away which was a major operation. The problem turned out be have been caused by the alternator which threw out a slightly higher current than it should. The main ECU could not cope with this and in his parlance "it fried". So something very simple led to something not so simple.
He said trucks that were good in the past like MAN and Scania just are not the same any more. Funnily enough him and the company had good opinions of Renault trucks which are serving well. He said they are not as expensive as other trucks, not as fancy but just do the business. So it seems a small issue now can lead to a major shut down. So JLR are not unigue in this. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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24th Sep 2021 1:53pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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So is that instead of the axle stands, spanners, new O ring and bolts and a diagnostic tool to recalibrate; or as well?
But is it appropriate for a vehicle that is supposed to be able to do the Skeleton Coast solo; or just copied from a Renault Twizy because most will only see the far side of the Waitrose car park at a push? |
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24th Sep 2021 4:44pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 823 
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According to Justin he has been told by the dealer the vehicle is good to go, so no engine damage due to the loss of belt and coolant. Due to the rarity of his spec of wagon and no doubt the 12 month lead times if he orders one, he will bite the bullet once again and get it back out there very shortly.. fourth or is it fifth time lucky  yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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25th Sep 2021 7:23am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4731
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I admire the owner. Buying a vehicle that was designed to do a job and going right in at the deep end and using it for that purpose. Hope things go well for him now.
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1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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25th Sep 2021 9:12am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5878  
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You’re absolutely right. I think I’ve reached the dizzying number of ‘thirty or so New Defenders seen’. But despite living in the rugged Alps, and with a continued strong industry of farming, cheese making, mountain rescue etc, I’ve not seen one that looks ready, or is being driven by anyone likely, to go on any kind of adventure let alone properly off road like this fellow in Oz. He is part of a very small clan. The exception not the rule. ALL those I have seen have been bought, prepped and are being used as SUVs. Black, lowered and pimped. Standard spec, carrying families. Alternatives to RRS, D5 or, god forbid, Q7s. This in an area littered with old Defenders, Toyotas, Nissans etc ‘working’ on a daily basis. Lots of off road trails here leading to the alpine farms where they make their wonderful cheese. Not one will get anywhere close. Lots of carpenters carrying loads of wood to build chalets, that will never be seen on the new one. Lots of forestry vehicles, bashing their way through tight trails, loaded to the gunnels with chainsaws and chains, winches etc, scratching and denting their body work. Will a new one ever do that in anger? etc etc. But the ones that come to the region at all, all with either 75 plate (Paris), 69 plate (Lyon) or Geneva and Milan plates, come off the motorway, turn right and head to the Uber resort of Megeve, to park up at the 5* hotels alongside Porsche Cayennes. I was in a queue of traffic a couple of weeks back. White 130 with some monster beams for a chalet. 90 with roof top tent, a new gloss black 110 with 20” diamond cut alloys and road tyres, me with a tub full of building and garden waste for the tip. Absolutely no continuation of the Defender heritage/legacy/role/user profile between the three old Defenders and the new one. Sad. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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