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Procta

Member Since: 03 Dec 2016
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 5163

Bluest wrote:
The only positive thing you might be able to say about that is that a Series 1 probably didn’t get sacrificed the make it. Looks cobbled together from parts.

The reg number is a red herring, it must have been swapped onto it after it was first registered in 2015. I presume you can’t swap a car off a q-plate onto a private plate so it must have originally had a normal 2015 plate on it.

Is it possible this was built and registered new via IVA like a kit car and then had an old plate added via a cherished transfer, like you can with any car? Assuming the chassis was new and a refurbed engine and drive train were fitted would that be sufficient to avoid a q plate after IVA?

According to gov.uk it’s never been MOTed either. I dont think it would pass with tyres protruding beyond the arches.

I am thinking its a been a defender used as donor, and modded for the Series 1 panels to go on. i am suspecting its been registered as a kit car, and they have applied for an age related plate. Which would give them an excuse not to get an MOT on it. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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27th Jul 2021 11:17pm

Procta

Member Since: 03 Dec 2016
Location: Sunderland
Posts: 5163

blackwolf wrote:
There is absolutely zero series one content in the chassis!

Given that it was apparently first registered in 2015, can anyone thing of a legal way it can have avoided a "Q" plate, because i can't?

Only way around that is if its registered as a kit car, and they applied for age related plates. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it!

27th Jul 2021 11:20pm

mwestcrew

Member Since: 09 Dec 2019
Location: South Warwickshire
Posts: 251

2011 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Baltic Blue

Interesting that the EBay check shows it as possibly imported. 2011 130 Utility Body
2005 110 Van

28th Jul 2021 5:48am

kenzle8a

Member Since: 12 Feb 2020
Location: None
Posts: 1074

Procta wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
There is absolutely zero series one content in the chassis!

Given that it was apparently first registered in 2015, can anyone thing of a legal way it can have avoided a "Q" plate, because i can't?

Only way around that is if its registered as a kit car, and they applied for age related plates.

My gut tells me this was a series 1 found in a state overseas, imported back, registered correctly then had the chassis etc done when it should have been SVA'd and given a Q plate as theres nowhere near enough of the Series left for it to have been given an age related plate if it was on a Q plate. The documentation needed can be quite tricky.

28th Jul 2021 8:29am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17372

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Procta wrote:
... Only way around that is if its registered as a kit car, and they applied for age related plates.

Not possible, I believe. If it was a kit car assembled in 2015 from unused components it would have a 2015 registration, if assembled from old components it would fall under the points rules and the fact that the chassis, suspension, steering, engine, gearbox, transfer box, axles, and brakes (at the very least) are from indeterminate sources means that, to the best of my knowledge, it cannot legally retain an "original" 1952 registration and would get a "Q" plate. If it was registered on a Q-plate, then as far as I know it would not be possible to buy a vanity plate or transfer any other plate on in its place.

If it was built in 2015 it would not be MOT exempt, but the fact that the registration details state "manufactured 1952" (which it clearly wasn't) would make it so. If it was built and registered as a kit car in 2015 it would also have had to pass a type approval inspection, which wouldn't be possible with the tyre protrusion evident in the photos.

The registration details ("manufactured 1952", "first registered 2015") are clearly absurd since virtually nothing remains of the 1952 vehicle and the few 1952 parts which are visible cannot be traced to a particular vehicle (body panels etc are untraceable on the whole). Therefore the only way that the details that are presented in the advertisement could be recorded is if a number fraudulent declarations have been made. It is likely that at some stage a registration officer from a reputable motor club should have been required to inspect and authenticate the vehicle, and this is something I find especially disturbing.

28th Jul 2021 8:32am

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5843

1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue

Could it be possible that this was legit and then swapped over to a 'new' chassis ? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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28th Jul 2021 9:31am

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 485

I've definitely seen worse at least it isnt just the usual 90 rung onto a Series ID! Someone has obviously spent a lot of time building it onto a shortened Discovery 1 chassis and managed to squeeze aTD5 and full size R380/LT230 into it (the rear prop must be interesting) I guess the problem occurs when the new owner is stopped by a knowledgeable traffic cop and is asked to explain why he hasnt paid road tax or had a MOT?

28th Jul 2021 9:54am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17372

^^^ It's not a TD5, the link in excossack's post below has a photo which clearly shows that it isn't a TD5 but something else, but I don't actually recognise what it is.

excossack wrote:
This advert from April 2020 suggests its a 2.8l diesel engine
https://m.facebook.com/groups/455482441191...765925623/

28th Jul 2021 12:29pm

rallysteve

Member Since: 10 Feb 2014
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 2227

2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green

That engine is almost certainly an Isuzu 2.8TD

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28th Jul 2021 1:33pm

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 485

blackwolf wrote:
^^^ It's not a TD5, the link in excossack's post below has a photo which clearly shows that it isn't a TD5 but something else, but I don't actually recognise what it is.

excossack wrote:
This advert from April 2020 suggests its a 2.8l diesel engine
https://m.facebook.com/groups/455482441191...765925623/

Was just looking at the poor photo of a alloy sump so presumed TD5

28th Jul 2021 3:02pm

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