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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111   
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There is fly-tipping and then there is this. Rubbish dumped along the entire stretch of road near Pontypridd.
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16th May 2019 4:00pm |
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| williamthedog Member Since: 29 Dec 2012 Location: south wales Posts: 3441 
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Mindless, senseless vandalism of the countryside
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16th May 2019 4:19pm |
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| fatboyron Member Since: 28 Jul 2018 Location: Aylesham Canterbury Kent Posts: 116 
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I heard on the radio that anyone got caught it will get the maximum fine now
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16th May 2019 4:33pm |
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| seriesonenut Member Since: 19 Nov 2014 Location: Essex Posts: 1211
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So you have say a house to clear or asbestos to recycle and someone in a big tipper truck offers you a too good to be true price to take it all away.....hey presto it turns up in a farmers field or down the middle of a country lane. We all have responsibility here not to look the other way. Ask where it is going, get some proof of disposal. If they cant answer the questions it will be for good reason.
This is costing us all thousands to clear up (Council tax - someone has to pay) and if you are the unfortunate land owner a real personal hit. 2010 XS USW 1957 Series One 88 diesel 1958 Series One 88 4x2 |
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16th May 2019 4:49pm |
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| UtilityTruck Member Since: 09 Jan 2014 Location: Oxford Posts: 463
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Quite right seriesonenut, it’s easy to say it’s not my problem - but if something looks too good to be true, it often is! 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2
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16th May 2019 5:41pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20436
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I blame councils, because they do their best to stop legitimate disposal by those who really do try to do the right thing.
You’ll notice this episode has been over the last few years that councils have been after a quick buck for themselves. Fly tipping is a big scourge on greenlanes too, and especially a tyre damage risk $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 Last edited by custom90 on 18th May 2019 10:37pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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16th May 2019 5:47pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5183
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That's a common sight sadly near to where i live, ryhope beach is a favourite for fly tipping. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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16th May 2019 8:14pm |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972 
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Not sure who profits here. Councils are funded by taxpayers. When councils have a cost to dispose levied on them by central government, they have to pass that on, either to all taxpayers or to the person disposing of waste. Only fair that those who want to dispose of the waste pay, it shouldn't be distributed across all tax payers (which was the case before commercial tip charges). There's no "quick buck" in this equation, except for those who ignore the reality that their actions have a cost and pass it on to the general public, while pocketing the cash for taking the waste away. Put simply, the blame is firmly at the door of the tarmac-laying transit-driving scumbags. They're the ones illegally dumping and trousering the cash. 
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17th May 2019 10:17am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17435 
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The blame lies with the tippers.
However, the cause of this revolting phenomenon is not the local authorities as much as the Government that introduced the Landfill Tax. It is the Landfill Tax that resulted in waste being charged, and as a result caused local authorities (who have a duty to council tax payers to keep council tax under control) to (a) charge for using the tip for many types of waste, and (b) to take steps to ban trade waste from tips. This is turn is why it is now so difficult as a private citizen to get you waste to the tip if you only have a vehicle like a van or pick-up truck, and why the countryside is now full of bedsteads and other non-chargeable waste. It Is also why the countryside is full of chargeable waste such as fridges dumped by tightwads who won't pay the tip fee for chargeable waste. However there is no doubt that the worst fly-tipping is from illegal fly-by-night trade waste tippers who probab;y don't have the required Waste Carrier licence, won't pay the trade waste fee, and can make a quick buck of stupid or ignorant customers by offering a too-good-to-be-true price. It is so easy then to tip and drive in a quite place. So don't blame the councils, they're between a rock and a hard place. Blame the criminals, the moron customers who make the criminality possible, and most of all blame the half-witted Government which thought that making legal tipping expensive would clean up the environment. |
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17th May 2019 11:13am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20436
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Many of you haven’t tried this council then that’s for certain.
I wonder if they have weighed up the income vs fly tip disposal cost and compared. If the fly tipping side is a very high cost wouldn’t it be better to take away the waste disposal fee back to where it was? Suppose it depends on the figures, but I’d have thought fly tipping was a bigger issue to sort out than money alone and more important than just funds. It is certainly a developed problem that is for certain. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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17th May 2019 11:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17435
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^^ Two points: (1) I wouldn't mind betting that the fly-tipping clean up costs come from a different budget line and therefore don't equate directly, and (2) if the fly-tipping is on private land it costs the council nothing, it is the landowner or occupier who has to bear the cost.
In fact, if someone dumps a lorry-load of 500 scrap tyres or fridges on your land you probably won't even find anyone who'll investigate for you, it will be considered a civli matter. Shocking. |
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17th May 2019 12:10pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20436
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Indeed. There is a local Bridleway that I used to be able to drive a couple of years back and adjacent land as had the land owners permission. It was a lovely place to walk etc. You guessed it, fly tipping began on private land. And on the public road combined and a Byway nearby the latter it still happens. Now the landowner/tenant farmer has had to lock up access for all but foot traffic and horse riders because of it.
Of course now we can no longer use that area either and for about the last two years also. Such a shame, I of course don’t blame the farmer for it but the idiots that kept dumping so ultimately we all lose out. It’s very common on Byways for all vehicular access yet further giving incentive to close routes down forever too. The annoying thing is there is tech out there that can combat this such as trail cams it persistent areas. They won’t pull their finger out and do anything about it, but instead just keep collecting it which must cost a damn site more anyway. There is also the issue due to most modern housing being packed in like sardines when anyone wants to pay for private disposal in vast quantities say a few tonne they often cannot get equipment to the area concerned to collect it. We have had a private skip hire before in the past, but where one could be located these days is another matter. As I said, all of these things have been created by the powers at be on inflated pay packets and all of it is paid for by the likes of you and I. Even more testing of ones patience is the fact it need not be the issue it is. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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17th May 2019 12:35pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5183
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also try and get stuff weighed in now, 10 years ago you could just bring a car boot full or van full of scrap, like a washing machine etc, weigh it in and get a few quid in your hand, Now you cannot even do that now, where I live. The main scrap yard changed owners and rules. So you got to open up an account and then it goes through by check or bank transfer. More of a pain in the arse now sadly. But that was all down to dodgy  stealing everything to drains, to plaques sadly.
I am all for keeping the place clean and tidy, and making sure everything that can be recycled is, I have even post computer bits to another country, so that person could make use of them rather than been chucked in for waste. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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18th May 2019 1:43pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109 
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Yup me to, i took some old oil to our tip after I had serviced the rib out boards and the guy said I can only leave 5L so I said right I will drive round again then err No that’s 5L every 6 months FFS |
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18th May 2019 7:48pm |
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