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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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I don't think it will work without the exciter ring as that's how the system recognises the key fobs. Darren
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13th Jul 2021 10:51am |
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| s55shh Member Since: 30 Dec 2019 Location: staffs Posts: 193
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I've got a spare anti theft transceiver here.
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13th Jul 2021 11:09am |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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Hello Jgh112
I agree with LRA, as I understand this component is an induction loop that 'handshakes' with the Key Fob by close proximity telling everything (AS10 / ECU) to work... or something like this. The result is that the Key has been recognised. It's this component that needs to find a close by new home if you fit an XDEFEND Steering Lock. I don't know, but potentially this ring needs 'paring' with your system, hopefully someone will know and be along shortly...  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Good Luck SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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13th Jul 2021 11:14am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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I'm struggling to remember the exact sequence since it is so long since mine last misbehaved (and I hope that hasn't jinxed it now).
As far as I recall, the exciter coil round the lock barrel is only used by the passive immobiliser and it is possible to switch off the PI without affecting the remainder of the system. The remote locking and active immobiliser works off the buttons on the plip and has no connection with the exciter coil. It should, as far as I know, be possible to programme a key to the 10AS without the coil being fitted, and it is possible that the fuses may have been the issue. My concern with this vehicle if it was stolen and recovered (unless stolen using the the keys) is how the thieves made off with it. They must have done something to disable the immobiliser, and it may be that whatever they have done is causing you a problem. If they simply blew the fuses on the 10AS and indicator feeds, and removed the exciter coil and knocked the lock off the column, they would not be able to start the engine. Therefore they must have done more. |
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13th Jul 2021 12:27pm |
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| s55shh Member Since: 30 Dec 2019 Location: staffs Posts: 193
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Don't they swap out the 10AS for another that they have precoded?
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13th Jul 2021 12:36pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611 
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The coil around the column isn't required to program remotes.
1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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13th Jul 2021 12:51pm |
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| Jgh112 Member Since: 12 Jul 2021 Location: Devon Posts: 20 
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I guess the question is, when it was stolen recovered they may have loaded it onto a trailer and that's why they have only broke the steering lock and maybe removed the ignition transceiver coil? Is the 57 plate definitely mean't to have a ignition transceiver that goes round the barrel? I have attached a photo of the loose plug but is that what that plug is for? (photos below)
So have checked all fuses and wiring and nothing seems to be out of sorts, seatbox wires they usually cut, and the alarm flashes when ignition is switched on so I don't think it has been running to be honest. It appears very dry underneath and solid as a rock so wouldn't surprise me whether they nicked it with the intent to do it up in the future or even just for parts...? Need to know what this plug is for, have a ignition coil transceiver coming tomorrow part number AMR4897, its a obsolete part from land rover but a specialist down the road from me has one fingers crossed. 10AS green box seems untouched so that should be fine. Has anyone else got fuse F40 missing from their main fuse box under next to drivers side speaker? should be a tan 5a blade fuse. cheers guys! Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge |
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13th Jul 2021 3:10pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611
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If the wire colours are orange/green and orange/purple then yes that is where it fits.
1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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13th Jul 2021 3:22pm |
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| Jgh112 Member Since: 12 Jul 2021 Location: Devon Posts: 20
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Do you guys reckon that would've been why the key guys scanner was unable to read the ECU, and said ECU disconnected. He used MVP and Londsdor scanners both never worked, however he said they haven't worked with defenders in the past, so could be software issue also?
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13th Jul 2021 3:25pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611
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As above, the coil around the barrel isn't required to program fobs.
Generic key programmers won't touch it, you'll need a LR specific tool (Nanocom etc) 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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13th Jul 2021 3:46pm |
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| Jgh112 Member Since: 12 Jul 2021 Location: Devon Posts: 20
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Ah ok the nanocom makes sense so that’s maybe why he couldn’t read the ECU at all?
I have a launch diagnostics scanner coming which I know reads land rovers and also does key programming but not sure if anyone has tried on a launch system? |
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13th Jul 2021 9:22pm |
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| Jgh112 Member Since: 12 Jul 2021 Location: Devon Posts: 20
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Does anyone know of any one in the south west with a Nancom programmer who can do the keys? In Devon area.
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14th Jul 2021 6:46am |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 486
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I am in Cornwall have Nanocom Autologic and IID
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14th Jul 2021 8:18am |
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