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joshgorham



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Welding Rig Recommendations
Hi there,

I couldn't see if this has been asked before, but I was wondering if anyone has recommendations for home workshop welding rigs (MIG). I have done it briefly before and was hoping that I could slowly improve and then eventually be able to do small fixes on my defender.

Josh 2002 TD5 110 CSW
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rallysteve



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green
What sort of price range are you looking at? Have a look at r-tech's equipment, might be a bit too expensive but I have one of their plasma units and it is superb (as is their customer service).

Cheers,
Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread
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joshgorham



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I was looking at around the £200-£300 mark, so I think they are a little out of my budget at the moment, but ill keep my eyes out for a second hand one. I have a small amount of experience with MIG welding, and non with TIG welding, do you think it would be worth my while learning how to TIG weld? 2002 TD5 110 CSW
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
When I wanted to get a MIG, for me price was a facotr (plus the need to get the CO2 or Argon gas cylinders.
Since I use it so little, I thought I should have a go at one of the cheap offerings with flux core wire. The flux core came with a reel of flux core wire.

When I tested it, the welds were worse than pigeon poop. So I modified the machine and converted it from AC to DC. The resulting weld was still pigeon poop. I then bough a good reel of flux core wire, the new wire costed as much as 50% of the whole machine package, and boy what a difference. It can weld now, and very pretty welds.
You can see one of the welds at the bottom corners of the door in this picture:
https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...04252.jpeg 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Shroppy



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United Kingdom 1986 Defender 130 V8 Petrol HCPU Aintree Green
If I were you I'd be looking at second hand transformer MIGs from the likes of Oxford. I started with a Clarke gasless machine which was adequate but not great, as my welding improved I upgraded to gas shielded with the same machine but found the duty cycle to be prohibitive in the end.

I eventually upgraded to a 270amp Oxford MIG as I started to take on bigger on projects and have been thoroughly impressed. Its old school in that it utilities a transformer as opposed to an inverter but it does mean parts/repairs are at least feasible. I'm now (6 years of sporadic practice on) pretty comfortable behind a MIG and am able to produce some decent welds.


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I purchased an AC/DC TIG to learn whilst recovering from an operation and have found it pretty challenging but enjoyable. Its also a damn site more expensive than MIG!

In summary, buy the best you can afford, use an Ar/CO2 mix and practice practice practice. if you need any pointers I'd be happy to assist. the MIGwelding forum is another great resource. 1985 127 V8 Build Thread
Series 2 109"
Series 1 80"
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Badger110



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Buckingham Blue
My eyesight's shot, i thought the title said ' wedding ring recommendation '

Shocked
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
In that case, M14 nut, stainless A4 preferable. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue
Badger110 wrote:
My eyesight's shot, i thought the title said ' wedding ring recommendation '

Shocked


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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue
rallysteve wrote:
What sort of price range are you looking at? Have a look at r-tech's equipment, might be a bit too expensive but I have one of their plasma units and it is superb (as is their customer service).

Cheers,
Steve


R-tech’s gear is great, as is there customer service. Lincoln also great but a bit more expensive. Plenty of both to be had second hand. Parweld are a decent budget option as well.
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
I have a little 20+ year old Clarke 150 amp Turbo Mig that uses the little disposable cylinders. It does me ok, and disposable cylinders are fine for an infrequent user. Can get all the consumables from Machine Mart which is handy. If I were to need it more regularly I’d look at adapting it to use hobby weld cylinders. I actually got it off my Dad who used it redo an entire MG that was absolutely rotten throughout, so it has lasted well through some hard use. It ain’t a pro machine, but it does a decent job. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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sako243



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Wales 1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Alpine White
First welder I picked up was a second hand but virtually brand new Clarke 130EN and it's perfectly capable of stuff for a Defender, was £100 shipped down to me. For reference most of this headstock for the pallet forks were welded with that little MIG, most of it's 5mm wall RHS with 20mm plates for the hooks and locking pin brackets.

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So far it's been tested up to 1.5t and handled that with ease.

I then bought an R-Tech 210EXT TIG welder and that's been very useful as well but a difference price point. However it does also offer an MMA mode and after a quick 20 minute lesson with a mate who used to be a pipe welder I actually pick up the sticks more often than not - it's so much quicker and nicer than having to faff with gas and torches etc. That's comfortably done 20mm down to 0.9mm sheet - was quite chuffed I managed to do the 0.9mm sheet with 2.5mm rods Mr. Green Ed
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95 Defender 110 300Tdi
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rallysteve



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green
Bluest wrote:
I have a little 20+ year old Clarke 150 amp Turbo Mig that uses the little disposable cylinders. It does me ok, and disposable cylinders are fine for an infrequent user. Can get all the consumables from Machine Mart which is handy. If I were to need it more regularly I’d look at adapting it to use hobby weld cylinders. I actually got it off my Dad who used it redo an entire MG that was absolutely rotten throughout, so it has lasted well through some hard use. It ain’t a pro machine, but it does a decent job.


I still use an old Clarke 151TE unit, it is easy to swap it to use a regulator and larger cylinder. I use a rent-free bottle of co2/Arg mix which lasts ages. I upgraded the swan neck on the torch to a better quality one which takes the larger industrial type nozzles and shrouds. Also fitted a bigger rtech earth clamp and lead. It is coming to the end of economic life now though as it needs a whole new torch and things. Will probably replace it with an RTech unit next.

Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread
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