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Supacat



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If you read that through carefully, then it's nothing more than the council, applying to itself, for outline planning permission to build something. There's no actual plant, no financial investment, no money, no jobs.

Putting the cart before the horse...
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Philip



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Grenadier wrote:
forthcoming FFRR


That’s on the new MLA platform, which can be an EV:


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Everything was supposed to be going on the MLA...


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Zed wrote:
The only issue I can see is the lack of battery manufacturers in the UK. The Government needs to help companies set up in this country or our already dwindling industry will completely go down the pan.


I think that's already in hand - there's a company called Britishvolt setting up a 'gigaplant' in Northumberland:

https://britishvolt.com/news/britishvolt-s...gigaplant/ Darren

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I saw that. Excellent news, let's hope more follow. WARNING.
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Did I hear on the news today the Govenrment was investing £50million in a Battery plant in Coventry? James
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You wont get far as the current range is 30 miles........ You will need a generator on a trailer to go further! Cheers Don.
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Grenadier wrote:
And what does that do/say for models like the Defender that’s just been launched with a ICE under the hood and that was probably always designed as such.


It further shows us that the current defender platform was a stop gap measure. Earlier presentations by JLR indicated that it should have been the MLA platform from the very beginning. Why it wasn't may say more about the MLA platform. The now cancelled XJ was also on the MLA platform.

The MLA platform is, in itself, a transitionery platform and heavily compromised if BEV is the solution. The all electric Jaguar future will not use this platform.

Grenadier wrote:
Where do the ICE specialists go? Do they have enough in-house electric expertise.

ICE specialists retire...software engineers are where it's been at for JLR for a while now.

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Grenadier wrote:
The ipace is a great seller

Not really.
From start to Dec 2019 it was averaging 1,155 per month.
From Jan 2020 it has been averaging 1,374 per month.

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Slightly unrelated I know but there was a snippet on a recent TFL video where they said that the Ford Mach E was starting to fill up the dealer lots and that the dealers were facing an increase in refunds for the original deposits put down.

Part of this i guess was that Ford promised an electric Mustang but presented a four door Mondeo SUV mash up.

The other part I still think is range, the US being a big country. The positive for Ford is that they have a more complete range of vehicles in the pot, could JLR shoot themselves in the foot by only offering electric a number of years before they really have to.

Will the consumer stick with regular fuel for as long as possible then ensure that they have a new non electric car prior to the cut off and then just keep it.

What is JLR’s backup plan..... Whistle
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Not sure Ford's holding off:



Although "Disrupt Ourselves" does strike me as a particularly stupid thing to be trying to achieve.

markb110 wrote:
Slightly unrelated I know but there was a snippet on a recent TFL video where they said that the Ford Mach E was starting to fill up the dealer lots and that the dealers were facing an increase in refunds for the original deposits put down.

Part of this i guess was that Ford promised an electric Mustang but presented a four door Mondeo SUV mash up.


"Ford issued a stop-ship on the Mach-E to address a quality-related issue" might be what they saw.

"Mach-E sales in the U.S. totaled just 238 units in January because of the stop-ship issue, but Ford produced 4,250 units for the region (10,967 worldwide). However, the automaker noted that Mach-E is shipping to dealers now, and units are spending a short, on average, four days on dealer lots. Ford delivered nearly 5,000 units to dealers in January alone."

https://fordauthority.com/2021/02/2021-for...k-ramp-up/
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Ford have just announced that they will invest an extra $16bn over the next five years, to achieve their aim of full electrification across their range by 2030. So a company that is ten times the size of JLR and will invest four times the value of JLR in just electrification investment, still reckon it will take a decade to achieve this goal. Makes you wonder who’s doing JLR’s accounting and planning for them. Monsieur Le Grenadier

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The investment needed is huge - think it’s going to be difficult for all but the biggest “legacy” manufacturers to compete (think of the development budget Apple or Google could bring to a partnership). Not sure it’s an exciting future for anyone who actually likes cars.
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Think we’re already well past the point of creating new generations of genuine car enthusiasts - I was counting down the days to my provisional car licence as did all my mates, I wonder how the stats. compare these days.
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I know what you mean.

Myself and my mates passed our test cira 1988.

By the time we got passed our first cars, I had a Ford RS1600i, my friends had a , BMW 3 series, Jaguar XJS, Mini 1275GT, Vauxhall Astra GTE, Capri 2.8i, XR2 and a Golf GTi

All paid, insured and taxed by ourselves. We all had parents that had their bonnets up on a Sunday for father son tinkering time. Dad even did a clutch change on the drive before lunch on his Cortina....I still have the scar.

With the rise of PCP contracts even the car on many peoples driveway is not their own. The big shocker for me are those PCP deals that restrict the driver to 5k miles a year.....what’s the point of paying (plus tax and insurance) for something you can’t use that much.

I have noticed some manufacturers (JLR included) where you hire the car instead rendering car ownership void. Will this be the future when people are forced to have electric cars but the public won’t want to trust the technology or risk having a vehicle with a dud battery and out of warranty

JLR with their reliability issues could really suffer here not helped by the press message that they want to pursue ‘profits and not volume’ Surely reliability would ensure profitability by reducing warrantee claims therefore you could produce and sell more vehicles at a price which is more competitive and therefore (going back to the original point) encourage the younger driver to want a JLR product and become a brand advocate and not someone who will hire a new vehicle to suit their requirements on the day........
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Philip wrote:
Not sure it’s an exciting future for anyone who actually likes cars.


I don't know about that. Have you had a go in a Taycan? I am a devoted petrolhead, I don't even like automatics because they spoil the driving experience for me, but that Porsche is very special. As a daily EV's are hard to beat, especially in a couple of years when the purchase price be cheaper than petrol and diesel equivalents. WARNING.
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